Muslim & Christian Discussion ForumMiracles of Quran;Does bible competeGreetings shahryar, Let’s review your Koranic assertion of an “expanding universe” as it appears in 51.47… Here is a Literal rendering of sura 51.47 in context… والسماء بنينها بأييد وإنا لموسعون 51.47 والأرض فرشنها فنعم المهدون 51.48 Waalssamaa banaynaha bi-aydin wa-inna lamoosiAAoona Waal-arda farashnaha faniAAma almahidoona And the heaven we built her on account of authority and certainly maker of the vast extent. And the earth so we have spread her, so the spreaders. Observing the classic Arabic; there is not a single instance in these ayahs that even remotely describes the stretching or expansion of the heavens or universe. Further, all of the verbs are in the perfect (i.e. past tense). Thus, the authors of the Koran are telling us that the heavens have already been built in the past with no description of present and future expansion of the universe. Now…compare to Isaiah, the likely source of this Koranic passage… Isaiah 44:24…. So says Yahweh, your Redeemer and your Former from the womb; I am Yahweh, who makes all things; STRETCHING out the heavens; I alone, spreading out the earth. Who was with me? Observe the classic Hebrew definition for what is occurring to the heavens: H5186 נטה nâṭâh BDB Definition: 1) to stretch out, extend, spread out, pitch, turn, pervert, incline, bend, bow 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to stretch out, extend, stretch, offer 1a2) to spread out, pitch (tent) 1a3) to bend, turn, incline 1a3a) to turn aside, incline, decline, bend down 1a3b) to bend, bow 1a3c) to hold out, extend (figuratively) 1b) (Niphal) to be stretched out 1c) (Hiphil) 1c1) to stretch out 1c2) to spread out 1c3) to turn, incline, influence, bend down, hold out, extend, thrust aside, thrust away Part of Speech: verb A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: a primitive root Same Word by TWOT Number: 1352 The Holy Bible informs us that the heavens are being stretched-out (i.e. they are expanding)… Now that we are cognizant of where the Koranic authors’ obtained their passages in question (even though they could not even accurately copy/translate it!); we can demonstrated that the Holy Bible mentioned cosmic expansion not just once, but 11x… Job 9:8; Psalm 104:2; Isaiah 40:22; 42:5; 44:24; 45:12; 48:13; 51:13; Jeremiah 10:12; 51:15; and Zechariah 12:1. Here are the relevant Biblical verses in context… Observe that the Biblical passages use three separate verbs in order to describe that the expansion of the universe is an ongoing phenomenon… Strong’s #5186 natah naw-taw' a primitive root; to stretch or spread out Strong’s #2946 taphach taw-fakh' a primitive root; to flatten out or extend (as a tent); Strong’s #4969 mathach maw-thakh' a primitive root; to stretch out:--spread out. Job 9:8 7 the One speaking to the sun, and it does not rise: and He sets a seal around the stars. 8 STRETCHING out the heavens by Himself, and walking on the waves of the sea; 9 who made the Bear, Orion, and Pleiades, and the chambers of the south; Psalm 104:2 1 Bless Yahweh, O my soul! O Yahweh my God, You are very great; You have put on honor and majesty, 2 covering Yourself with light like a cloak, and STRETCHING out the heavens like a curtain; 3 who lays beams in the waters of His upper rooms, setting thick clouds as His chariots; walking on the wings of the wind. Isaiah 40:22 21 Have you not known? Have you not heard? Was it not told to you from the beginning? Did you not discern from the foundations of the earth? 22 He who sits on the circle of the earth, even its dwellers are like grasshoppers; He who STRETCHES the heavens like a curtain, and SPREADS them like a tent to live in. 23 who gives potentates into nothing – He makes judges of the earth as nothing. Isaiah 42:5 4 He shall not fail nor be crushed until He has set justice in the earth; and the coasts shall wait for His law. 5 So says Yahweh God, creating the heavens and STRETCHING them out; spreading out the earth and its offspring, giving breath to the people on it, and spirit to those walking in it: 6 I, Yahweh, have called You in righteousness, and will hold Your hand, and will keep You, and give You for a covenant of the people, for a light of the nations. Isaiah 44:24 23 Sing, O heavens, for Yahweh has done it. Shout, O lower parts of the earth; burst forth into praise, O mountains. O forest, and every tree in it, sing praise, because Yahweh has redeemed Jacob, and glorifies Himself in Israel. 24 So says Yahweh, your Redeemer and your Former from the womb; I am Yahweh, who makes all things; STRETCHING out the heavens; I alone, spreading out the earth. Who was with me? 25 frustrating the signs of liars; yea, He makes diviners mad; turning wise ones backward, and making their knowledge foolish. Isaiah 45:12 11 So says Yahweh, the Holy One of Israel, and his Former, Do you ask me the things to come? Do you give command to Me about My sons, and about the work of My hands? 12 I have made the earth, and created man on it. I STRETCHED out the heavens with My hands; and I have set all their host in order. 13 I raised him up in righteousness, and have made straight all his ways. He shall build My city, and he will release My captives; not for a price, nor for reward, says Yahweh of hosts. Isaiah 48:13 12 So says Yahweh, the Holy One of Israel, and his Former, Do you ask me the things to come? Do you give command to Me about My sons, and about the work of My hands? 13 My hand surely founded the earth, and My right hand has STRETCHED out the heavens; I called, they stood up together. 14 All of you gather and hear; Who among them has declared these things? Yahweh has loved him. He will do His pleasure on Babylon; yea His arm shall be on the Chaldeans. Isaiah 51:13 12 I, I am he comforting you. Who are you, that you should fear from man? He shall die! And from the son of man? He is given as grass. 13 And you forget your maker Yahweh, who STRETCHED out the heavens and founded the earth. And you dread continually, everyday, from the fury of the oppressor, since he was ready to destroy. And where is the fury of the oppressor? 14 Bowed he hurries to be free, and not that he die in the pit, and not that he lack his bread. Jeremiah 10:12 11 So you shall say the them, The gods who have not made the heavens and the earth, they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens. 12 It is he who made the earth by His power; who established the world by His wisdom, and who STRETCHED out the heavens by His understanding. 13 When He utters His voice, there is a noise of waters in the heavens. He causes the vapors to go up from the ends of the earth; He makes lightnings for the rain, and brings forth the wind out of His storehouses. Jeremiah 51:15 14 Yahweh of hosts has sworn by himself, saying, Surely I will fill you with men, as with locusts; and they shall lift up a shout against you. 15 He has made the earth by His power; He has established the world by his wisdom, and STRETCHED out the heavens by his understanding. 16 When he gives his voice, a multitude of waters is in the heavens; and He causes the mists to ascend from the end of the earth. He makes lightnings for rain, and brings forth the wind out of His treasuries. Zechariah 12:1 1 The burden of the word of Yahweh for Israel, says Yahweh, who STRETCHES forth the heavens, and lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him. 2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling to all the peoples all round, and it shall also be against Judah also in the siege against Jerusalem. Thus…it is clearly seen that the Bible stated an expanding Universe abundantly THOUSANDS of years BEFORE it was even attempted to be copied into the Koran. At best, the Koran once again is borrowing from God’s word, the Holy Bible. Thanks… |
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