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GM Wrote:
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God designed humans and plaints in a special way...... When humans breath oxagen in and exhail carbon dioxide out, the plaints inhail the carbon dioxide and exhail oxagen.... See how it works? If human life were to die off, plain life wouldn't survive.
Evolution is just a cover word for Dismissing God.
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Actually Oxygen levels rose on Earth as a result of single celled organisms which used H20 (water) in a process to form energy. Hydrogen was used, Oxygen was a bi-product that was released. If humans were to die, there would be plenty of animals left to provide carbon dioxide for the plants. In fact they could breathe easier knowing that there would be no more humans turning them into houses and cattle ranches and such.
Evolution as a theory does not mention god, whether in confirmation or dismissal.
biochemrex Wrote:
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I would agree with you that Evolution is a means to dismiss God, but not that it is a theory. A theory has to be put forward to explain facts and there is no factual evidence for Evolution. Evolution is a hypothesis. <EDIT> However since there is no evidence for Evolution it cannot be a theory. Keith
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Again, Evolution as a theory does not mention god, whether in confirmation or dismissal. Evolutionary theory is not an attempt to support or dismiss the existence of god. It is an attempt to explain the process by which life on Earth has come to be as it is today. The existence of a god is irrelevant to the theory.
There is plenty of evidence to support evolution. Whether you choose to acknowledge this is another matter.
GM Wrote:
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I know where you can buy a book…that will Prove Evolution is just a theory.
This book blows evolution completely out of the water.
GM Replies: the word, " assumption" Means: Assume. And the word "Theory" , Mean: an unproved assumption. and that is all the evolutionist have, is theory. not fact.
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There are plenty of books written on both sides that try to disprove the other and, depending on what you want to believe could completely blow the other out of the water. What you fail to realize is that evolution is not an attack on the existence of god.
Indeed, evolution is just a theory and not a fact. Kind of like gravity is a scientific law and not a fact. And while all evolutionists have is just a theory, creationists do not even have that. All creationists have is faith, which is even flimsier than “just a theory”.
biochemrex Wrote:
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But a Theory has to have some facts to assume about. There are no facts for evolution. Of course we have evolution in species. A bud evolves into a flower. A grub into a butterfly, but the fossil record clearly shows no evolutionary process of one species into another. So it is not a theory - only a hypothesis or more properly a fairy tale. Keith
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A bud does not “evolve” into a flower, nor a grub into a butterfly. These are not examples of evolution. The latter is called metamorphosis, while the former is…O.K. I really don’t know what it is called, but I know what it is not called.
“…the fossil record clearly shows no evolutionary process of one species into another.” I will concede that the fossil record does not clearly show the evolutionary process of one species into another, however it is indeed indicative of this process. While there is no lineage of fossil which can be lined up for every minute change in speciation, there are fossils which share similarities and can be ordered over millions of years through time which are indicative of speciation.
Fairy tale – an interesting but highly implausible story; often told as an excuse
And what, pray tell, is god?
GM Wrote:
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GM Replies: the word " theory" means : to assume. abnd the word, " fact" means: proof.
This might take some back to childhood... I'm going to give 2 examples below, one of theory and one of fact.
For example: Sally had a apple.... there was a dark spot on her apple. and Jane said , " Sally there might be a worm in it." thats assuming... thats theory.
For example: Sally looks at Jane and says.." theres only one way to find out... lets cut the apple open & see."( searching for the truth). so she did cut the apple open, and didn't find a worm. only that the dark spot was there from it laying on one side for so long. This is fact.
God is Fact-Proof. and Evolution is Theory. the more Evolution grows, the more it falls.
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Actually, it works like this if you are an evolutionist:
Evidence: There is a dark spot on the apple.
Theory: Dark spots on apples have been associated with worms living in them.
Hypothesis: Based on past knowledge which has shown that dark spots on apples are associated with worms in them, Jane forms the hypothesis that there is a worm in the apple.
Experiment: Cut the apple open to confirm presence of worm. None is found.
Conclusion: Hypothesis not supported.
Theory: Dark spots on apples have been associated with laying on one side for so long.
Hypothesis: the dark spot was there from it laying on one side for so long
-- >Repeat above process until best explanation for dark spot on apple is found.< --
And, it works like this if you are a creationist:
Evidence: There is a dark spot on the apple.
Theory: Dark spots on apples have been associated with worms living in them.
Hypothesis: Based on past knowledge which has shown that dark spots on apples are associated with worms in them, Jane forms the hypothesis that there is a worm in the apple.
Experiment: Cut the apple open to confirm presence of worm. None is found.
Conclusion: God created the dark spot on the apple.
Fact - truth or reality of something: the truth or actual existence of something, as opposed to the supposition of something or a belief about something
Faith - belief or trust: belief in, devotion to, or trust in somebody or something, especially without logical proof
GM Wrote:
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GM: Nature. You being here. Some scientist say that life came from 1 cell... Wrong... think about it, If life came from 1 cell... we would be like Jelly, "so to speak," ... {no bones} .. how did our bone structure become? our eyes are in place, we can think on our own. and think to our selves. Take your 5 senses: see,taste,hear,smell and feel. how did they become?.... what triggers these senses?... the brain... and the brain is made of tissue, millions of cells... that work differently.... from any other humans brain.( thinking and doing pattern) which dismisses, the "1 cell " theory. because one cell alone could not have done All these things, reason being Again: every human is different from each other. Thus: we ( people) are not accidents. We were Created.
These are a few Incredible details that could not have been a accident.
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Scientists know that early life on Earth were simpler organisms and, as time progressed, more complex organisms formed. This is indeed fact. It is supported by an overwhelming amount of evidence. Regardless of gaps in fossil records, regardless of inaccuracies of dating techniques, regardless of anything a naysayer could dream up. Earlier life = simpler life. Period. Fact.
Scientists do not say that life came from a single cell. What scientists do say is that all life has a common ancestor, and that the most common ancestor of life was a single celled organism. At least that is where we will start if that is how you wish to define life - as a single cellular organism (which is, by the way, rather prejudiced against the virus).
Our bodies are made of individual cells which have become specialized to the point where they cannot, without assistance, live separately. Just as colonies of single celled organisms formed colonies of specialized individuals, but there advantage is that they can live separately (push a sponge through a sieve and its individual organisms, given time will reform into a sponge) As to how the 5 senses work, chemo-, mechano-, and photoreceptors. Again, specialized cells, kind of like those little single celled specialized sponges. So, you are right 1 cell could not be a human, but millions of specialized 1 cells can. We are evolving.
“Again: every human is different from each other. “ – wow, that sounds pretty evolutionistic. Difference = genetic mutation. Genetic mutation + time = evolution.
There are a few million-billion incredible details that are based in mathematics, chemistry, physics and other sciences which preclude the need of a creator.
GM Wrote:
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Can you explain this?
This (magnetic force field) is a shield to keep life on earth from dieing.
Can you explain the seas, and life therein? the clouds liking like they were painted? .....what about the sand,how did it get here?... and the sun?... what about, when its dark where I live, its light where you live.... hows that?.....because the earth goes around.right?.... Why is it thatthe Sun hasn't hit earth? Why is it that all planets are elevated ....... Again: think about this: Why is earth so protected (shield around earth- magnetic force field) .
Just think about this,ok?
This was No accident. There is a Creator. There has to be in order to Create such remarkable Work.
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I will try:
Magnetic field – something to do with magnetic forces created by our planet’s spin and its Iron-Nickel core (I believe that is right). I am pretty sure that it not there to protect life on Earth. In fact, I am pretty sure it was there before there was life on Earth. Seas are collections of H20 and salts, life is in the seas because that is where it all started (that, from an evolutionary standpoint was a gimme). Clouds actually look a little like evaporated water condensing on small atmospheric particles, and I am almost positive that they do not consist of paint. I remember having to buy paint for my house rather than waiting for it to rain. Dark here/Light there? Hmm, rotation of the earth on its axis perhaps. Sun hitting the Earth? How about this: The Earth/Sun relation is following 2 basic laws of physics (yep I said laws here, no theories involved in this one) 1. An object in motion tends to remain in motion unless acted upon by another force 2. Gravity. The Earth is indeed falling towards the Sun (gravity). However, the Earth is also in motion. The distance traveled horizontally is equal to the distance vertically, thus we stay about the same distance from the Sun. Same reason the Moon does not crash into the Earth. Actually the Moon is getting slightly closer and will indeed impact with the Earth at some point. As an aside, due to the Sun containing much more mass than the Earth, the Earth would actually hit the Sun. Technically, they would kinda just come together at a point closer to the Sun, but due to the Mass factor, the Sun’s movement would be negligible.
Don’t need to think about these, I already know (or at least have a general working knowledge).
This was no accident. There are laws of science. This was just matter and energy doing what they do best, following the laws of science.
Geshtinnanna Wrote:
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The universe DOES NOT revolve around the Earth like once believed.
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Actually, from a relative standpoint, you CAN validly argue that the Universe revolves around the Earth. In fact, you can provide mathematical formulas to actually PROVE as much. However, the formulas which place Earth orbiting a Sun, etc. is much more parsimonious.
Parsimony - economy in the use of means to achieve something, especially the principle of endorsing the simplest explanation that covers a case
Earth as center of universe with hugely complex equations vs. Earth as just along for the ride. The second is much more parsimonious.
Evolution vs. god. Evolution much more parsimonious. Thus evolution wins out over god.
Geshtinnanna Wrote:
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The point, I think, was that evolution is not a fact but is only supposed based on erroneous suppositions.
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Will you forgive my fellow evolutionists their erroneous suppositions (of course you will, it is god’s way). You must realize that there are several factors at work here.
The vast majority of those erroneous suppositions are not erroneous, just ignored by those blinded by faith. Actually not blinded per se, just blatantly refusing to acknowledge the obvious.
Many scientists feel the need to defend scientific theory against religious zealots. Perhaps it has something to do with all the centuries of scientists being persecuted by “holier than thou” individuals for their pursuit of the truth, who knows. Not wanting to be burnt at the stake or some such by a mob of angry religious zealots can make one fudge results on occasion. The beauty of the whole thing is that other evolutionists will call them on it, no religion needed.
People are people and people are fallible. Scientist, much like the religious are not above sin. Some want the glory and fame, so they lie. Like the religious however, most hold themselves to a higher moral order and are honest and hard working.
The Skinny:
Evolution is not an assault on the religious. It is a pursuit of truth. Sometimes truth hurts. This is why there are creationists. Creationism is an attempt to try and make sense of senseless religious beliefs. Evolution is up against centuries of religious brainwashing. It always has been. In the end science and truth has always overcome. Sure it may take a few hundred years, but eventually, truth will out.