Beads, you may find the closing a thread that deals with a manmade doctrine that has caused nothing but dissention among the Body of Christ laughable but I do not. Men of good faith can disagree but when any doctrine causes the dissention and anger this doctrine causes it is counter productive.
Not one OSAS advocate has addressed those Scriptures that indicate some of the faithfull will fall away from the faith. You side step these Scriptures in favor of "they were never saved in the first place", which is nothing more than a convenient way to side step what both Jesus and Paul plainly teach.
We are living is a time when all true believers should be working together; not going for the jugular to establish a doctrine first advocated by a man who did not demonstrate Christian principles.
This thread and any other thread dealing with OSAS will be closed.