OnMyWay wrote:Hi Beads
I agree that abortion is wrong in all cases listed above.

What is your stance on this? since it has not been touched on yet in this thread.

I believe abortion is wrong. I believe God made no exceptions to that rule, and so neither should I.

OnMyWay wrote:The mother was diagnosed with cancer and was three months pregnant.
To start her Chemo she would have had to abort otherwise she would have been or will be dead in 6-7 months due to the rapid growth of Cancer.

A doctor's diagnosis is not a guarantee of what will happen. If this hypothetical mother had chosen to honor God with her decision, then I believe God would have blessed her.... whether in this life or the next (on the assumption the only a Christian mother would chose life in a situation like this).

Leon wrote:So what according to you guys is considered as murder?

I try to base my consideration on what is stated in the Bible. That way, it's not my opinion, but God's.

On the basis of Psalm 51:5 ("Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. "), I believe that one is a human at the moment of conception, and therefore it is considered murder at the moment of conception.

Roknrol wrote:What if the mother is single? Then the baby has even less of a chance of a decent life,

Evolution (Big Bang, Life from nonlife) has practically zero chance of ever happening, yet it is taught as fact in our public schools, and whenever someone argues that the chances of it really happening are next to zero, the accepted argument is "but there's still a chance".

I would submit that there is a greater chance for any given child to live a decent life, than there is for Evolution to happen, yet our society as a whole would rather believe in Evolution than in the idea of a child living a decent life.

Roknrol wrote:I would prefer her to have an abortion and be able to complete her own life...

There's no guarantee that the mother will live. Maybe she gets into a fatal car accident on the way home from the abortion clinic, whereas she might not have hit any traffic at all on the way home from the hospital with her newborn. Or maybe, she dies 6 months later from her cancer, whereas the trauma of labor may have caused, somehow, the cancer to go into remission.

For all the possible good outcomes of abortion, there are just as many possible bad/worse outcomes. The only difference is that in one situation you've destroyed a life, and in the other you have not.

Roknrol wrote:... rather than leaving all of those uncertainties up to...well...chance.

Well, here's a fundamental difference in our opinions. I don't believe anything's up to chance. I believe God is in control of everything. If you don't, and you really just leave everything up to chance, then I suppose I can partially understand why you have the opinion that you do.

Roknrol wrote:If it's in violent abuse cases (as mentioned above) I think it should be a valid option.

I'm not a big fan of situational ethics. What's right is right. It's never wrong to do right, and it's never right to do wrong.

Roknrol wrote:Or perhaps, one abortion (one mistake) and that's it...

Murderers of anyone outside of a mother's womb don't get this kind of treatment, so why should murderers of those inside the womb?