sardab wrote:Kai Hagbard wrote:I think you misunderstood me bro.
I agree with you, I believe that God would never create someone like himself; and certainly as all Christians I do not believe that God has a literal son.
No Kai,
we do not think Christians believe God has a literal son as a result of a sexual relationship.
The problem is that father and son are of the same essence, and it is this idea what Qur'an rejects
This is a blatant lie which I shall show you:
To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: How can He have a son when He hath no consort? He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things.
sura 6:101
Yusuf Ali
Wonderful Originator of the heavens and the earth! How could He have a son when He has no consort, and He (Himself) created everything, and He is the Knower of all things.
sura 6:101 Shakir
The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a child, when there is for Him no consort, when He created all things and is Aware of all things ?
sura 6:101 Pickthall
The Initiator of the heavens and the earth. How can He have a son, when He never had a mate? He created all things, and He is fully aware of all things.
sura 6:101 Khalifa
It seems whoever concocted the koran had the mentality that allah needed a wife/consort/concubine to have a son, the deep philosophical concept sufis ascribe to the koran flies in the face of what it actually says, remember now it reiterates time and time again this is a simple religion a child can understand:
[41] A Book, whereof the verses are explained in detail;- a Qur'an in Arabic, for people who understand;-
[43] We have made it a Qur'an in Arabic, that ye may be able to understand (and learn wisdom).
[54] And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?
[54] But We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?
[54] And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?
[54] And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?
Is the belief that allah needs to have sex to have a son not blatant from the quran?
Where is this deep hop scotch sufi plagiarised lies to acribe deep intellectual thought to the koran coming from? when it is simply superstition and common sense of the 7th century, and childish at that. Can you even prove that your sufi brand of islam is the true path of islam? can you prove that the 95% of islam that considers westernised muslims like yourselves as apostates are not telling the truth according to the koran?
Well, I do not think Qur'an ever needs to grasp the Christian doctrine,
It doesn't
because it is sent by God
You mean the same God that changeth not would all of a sudden sanction:
Incest
adultery
fornication
paedophilia
rape
caravan raiding
polygamy
Something He classed as sin in the previous revelations that spanned 4000+ yrs, yet he sanctions all these within 23 years for a megalomaniac prodigy of a prophet frothing at the mouth in an epileptic fit claiming he is receiving divine revelation, yet doesn't have a prophecy to his name??
Not to forget the same God that called the jews the apple of His eye, suddenly now calls them apes and pigs and should be driven to the sea? Would any objective individual think it is the same God?
We believe it is actually Christians who are wrong on the nature of God, and nature of Jesus. And Qur'an is a warning.
a god that abrogates, that sanctions incest, paedophilia, rape, caravan raiding et al, is an insult to believe it is the true God.