Christian/Muslim ThreadsMuhammed the borrower
Thank you for bringing that to my attention, in the same manner why emphasize her truthfullness ie her chastity in defence which is not a thing of doubt among any proclaimed followers of Jesus ? Yes since you brought it to my attention it does express of how human they both were when at the same time defending her chasteness, but you dont see the Quran in those verses defending her Son as to his chasteness do you ? Those verses express how human they were and the chastity of Maryam for those of the people of the book who believe contrary. Thus they Quran is not pointing at one particular group but all those who claim to be Christian Catholics and Non-Cathloics and Also the Jews in their denial of the messengerhood of Jesus and the chastity of Maryam.
The above two verses are directed to one particular belief among the people of the book. Maryam is not metioned as to her status but only Jesus and clearifying the Word and the Spirit in association with Allah which is condemned.
Excuse me ? Maryam was never considered part of the triune G-d amongsth Catholics or those of the People of the Book ? You got to be kidding me. What did you criticism tell you about the history of heritical groups, as you call them - likewise as they would call you, whom where People of the Book ? For the same as you saw those verses where directing Jesus and his mother to be no more than human beings. If a Jew was to read this he would resent Maryam being a Sadeeqah for the same as you resented Jesus being pointed as a mere human being and a messenger. Also Muhammad (s.a.w.) didnt direct anything, those are the words of Alllaah being revealed through him. But respecting what you believe, for what reason would it be emphasised that she was a Sadeeqah when this was not an issue among the followers of Jesus, why wasnt her son also called a Sadeeq ? Those verse are addressing "the people of the book" not a particular Christian group who dont worship Maryam like another group that does where as the subject manner is not specific but fast. The emphasis is in general aiming at the beliefs of the Jews and the followers of Jesus ie "The People of the Book" 1) Jesus was no more than a Messenger, rejecting the people of the Book's belief of him being more than a Messenger and the Jewsih beliefs that he was not a Messenger 2) Maryam was a Sadeeqah ie a Chaste and turthful woman who did now wrong in refutation to the The People of the Book who believe she was a whore~prostitute~unchaste woman~fornicator. 3) The Jesus and Maryam were merely human beings as they ate food This is the muslim perspective not a christian perpective as you have have your own. Yes it is made very simple in Arabic to understand. In 5:116 there is so inference of reference to a trinity. Alllaah is clearily excluded from it. The Quran does not say " and When Alllaah says" O Jesus did you tell the people to take me and you and your mother as Gods" The Quran says " Oh Jesus did you tell the people to take me and my mother as ilaahayn other than Allah ?......... The verse is denoting if Jesus told people to worship him and his mother instead of Alllaah. Here are the same exact word for word usage of "min duuni" which implies "the exclusion of" and what is meant by "Besides".
It does not specify, its inference is towards those who worship Jesus and those who worship Maryam. If you pray to any of these people you worship them ie you have deified them. Many Catholics call upon Maryam in prayer and Many other Christians call upon Jesus in their Prayer. Also the Arabic word used "ilaahayn" which is rendered "two gods" denotes false gods. "ilaahayn" is the dual form of "ilaah" in Arabic that denotes "an object of worship" which is normally rendered "god" or "G-d" that can be applied to the true G-d or a false god in its when it is used in the singular. However in Quranic term being applied to other than Allah in the singular or plural its denotes a false god(s) Muhammad did not incounter one type of Christian. Quranic verses that I showed you above mention nothing of the status of Maryam when Jesus is mentioned in regard to Jesus being called Alllah or is the son of Allah. The Quran was not revealed at own time. The different aspect it covers is dealing with Muhammads encounters with various types of Christians whom either came to debated or questioned him through out his prophethood. You are obviously confused. If you trusted it then you would have no need to go to the original mereless to choose a particular translation. In the same sense Jews interpret the old testament different from Christians whom highly rely on translation whereas the Jews do not. But here again Loki, I do, thats why we clearify what the text means and implies when you all bring it up. I have no objection of a Christian doing this with Hebrew or Greek it will just come to opinion thus cause I understand the nature of translations. |
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