Liberate wrote:The egotism aside would you care to explain sura 4:159 since you believe Jesus is being taken to heaven dead and there is no second coming. What does it mean when it says all the people of the book will believe in him before his death?
وَإِنْ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَبِإِلَّا لَيُؤْمِنَنَّ بِهِ قَبْلَ مَوْتِهِ وَيَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ يَكُونُ عَلَيْهِمْ شَهِيدًا
" Mawtihi " could either be refering to Jesus's or the people of the book's death as the grammar of the Quran Allah many times refers to a group of people using a singular pronoun such as "hu" ~ it or him
However lets look at what sense your interpretation will make. If you say "mawtihi" ~ his death is refering to Jesus and the sentence before it is saying that the "people of the book but MUST believe in him" would be ironic denoting that they (the people of the book) have up to the time of his(Jesus') death as the Quran says " qabla mawtihi " ~ before his (Jesus') death [in the context] indicating he has not yet died from since the time these words were uttered by our Prophet which was about six hundred years after Jesus.
Does the above make any sense?
Ironic in what way?
Are you even aware how the majority of muslims interpret this verse?
"qabla mawtihi" before his or its death is refering to "ahlal-kitaab" ~ People of The Book, which is also masculine, in which the people of the book but must believe in Jesus before they die.
Did you read the above after you typed it???
How many jews do you think believed in Jesus during His time, Mohammed's time and now, before they died?
H2O wrote:
Yes, I believe that there will be no second coming as well. However, the views about the ascension is divided among muslims yes in deed.
Some look at "rafi'a" ~ to be raised as meaning " he was raised to a place of honor just as another prophet in the Quran was also raised etc." but his body remains somewhere on earth like his mother's.
Then some others believe he was actually physically raised and raised to a place of honor with all the righteous prophets who have passed away in the past.
Then third party believes just like the Christians believe that he is somewhere in heaven alive and will return
I would settle for he was physically raised and raised to honor cause if he was left here on earth more than likely his follower would have built a Dome over his grave, I mean look at what they are doing with items that they claim to be associated with him. Just imagine if Christians knew where his burial was every christian would have made this a pilgrimage over flooding Al-Quds.
I some what though have been taking into consideration the first view held by zampeada.
These are the kind of statements typical of someone who is making it up as they go along, you would settle for...you are somewhat taking into consideration?? You pick and chose and discard which parts of your faith you want to believe that is up to you, for you to speak that your view is incumbent on the majority, you need to start backing it up...
WHERE ARE YOUR ARABIC SCHOLAR QUALIFICATIONS THAT ENTITLES YOU TO DISMISS ALL QURANIC TRANSLATIONS AND TAFSIRS AS ERRONEOUS TRANSLATIONS?
Why? Where is Maryam grave at ? She just disappears like her son from the face of the earth. I wonder if they ever find her grave would there be a second body burried next to hers ?Also Allah said in the Quran the likeness of Jesus (Isa) is like Adam both are Allah's word that He created, and also Adam died on this earth somewhere unknown to men.
You are now entering territory with no hadith or quranic basis whatsoever, what is the relevance above to what is being discussed?