Starjade is King of the Castle:
One God you say: What you have done is this:
1) You used the authority of the OT to prove the Quran wrong
I said that this is fine if you believe in it as the ultimate authority.
Starjade says: Thankyou for admitting that the Old Testament does prove the Quran is wrong. But I also showed other matters such as all those Prophesied signs in the heavens and as Muhammad is claiming that he is that specific Prophet that God promised moses he would raise up then he should know something about the apocalypse and have attempted and even gathered up those Jews from the four corners of the globe. And built that Third Temple as well as given details of that apocalypse and we both know that he did not do those things.
The Jews were not scattered to the four corners of the globe until Germany’s world wars. And even if they had of been scattered during the times of Muhammad. How could he have contacted them for that gathering up. H clearly could not.
You see it is not my fault that Muhammad claimed himself to be that very specific Prophet is it. It is not my fault that Muhammad used the Old Testament and named Moses and Isaiah as writing about him is it. Anyone reading the Old Testament can see that Moses and Isaiah were only writing about that specific Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up and that is whom Muhammad has claimed himself to be.
One God you say:
2) I told you that if you want to prove to a Muslim that his book is false, you can't use the old testament as it is considered invalid for any Muslim.
Starjade says: Yes they claim that after the fact but their false Prophet Muhammad sure as Hell used the Old testament in order to claim that he was that Prophet and so I have every right to mention the Old Testament and if a Muslim wants to bury his head in the sand with that sort of excuse then remember that in such a position it leaves the Muslim only one orifice left to talk out of.
Surah 4:82
Do they not consider the Qur'an with care? For if it had been from other than Allah, they surely would have found therein much discrepancy.
Well so I have. Muhammad used the Old Testament and its Prophets to make his claims and they are in the Koran. Now come on before the world admit or deny that fact. So as he used Old Testament and its Prophets in the Koran than I have used Old testament laws to show the word of Muhammad is false as well as other statements found in both the new and Old testament that Muhammad was using in the Koran. This is not about belief but about facts and if Muhammad makes those claims in the Quran then the Surah 4:82 says I can find there in much discrepancy and I did didn’t I. Be a man and admit that. I found discrepancy in the Koran that is not true. Errors exist in the Koran and when I point them out I just have to step back and look at the religious ignorance of Muslims who can plainly see errors in the word of Muhammad and so that attempt to cover those matters up by saying the very source of proof that Muhammad claimed himself into being must not be true. Well look One God you lost the argument deal with it and move on as there is no escape from reality not even here in Cyberspace.
One god you say:
3) What you did is that you went in circles and claimed that because we use Deut. 18, we then affirm the authenticity of the OT. That is not true at all.
Starjade says: yes I do feel I have to keep repeating these matters until the mind of a Muslim can grasp what has been said and I was saying it all as simply as I could. And whats all this we. Muhammad made those claims that he was that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up and it is Muhammad who claims Moses was writing about him and it was Muhammad that claims Isaiah wrote about him. So in so doing Muhammad is confirming the Old Testament on his own word and his own claims. It has nothing at all to do with the beliefs of any Muslims. Just who the hell are they. They are not in this equation as we are and were speaking about Muhammad and his beliefs not about the beliefs of any Muslim. As Muhammad’s beliefs encompass statements made in the Old Testament then that is what I have been replying about. And his word is also in the Koran and has been proven to be in error also hasn’t it.
One God you say: If you knew anything about the OT you would know that it was transmitted orally for more than 1000 years until it was written. Some of that oral Jewish tradition is true and some of it isn't.
Starjade says: 1000 yrs eh well I did not know that, but there are hidden text within those pages of the Bible that only someone like myself would see. I have a knowledge of the Old Testament that is not written in those Text’s and it was God given. Plus I am a man of knowledge myself and I do get about. I didn’t get my Titles without good reason. And any Bible that has the Christians new Testament was written and published by the Christians which is why there are so many lying scribes.
One God you say: The Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him taught us not to believe or disbelieve in whatever that was written and that is for the fact that not all of it is true and some of it contains truth. Basically for us, if it contradicts the Quran we don't believe in it, if it does contradict then we know it's false and not from God.
Starjade says: The Living Gods laws of Moses and of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 v 15 contradict the words of Muhammad and so does the word of the Living God and other Testimonies that Muhammad has used such as Gabriel. So the Muslim stands against the laws of the Living God and against the word of the Living God and yet Muhammad was the one who used the Old Testament in order to promote himself as being that specific Prophet that the Living God said to Moses he would raise up. And those are the very Chapter and verses that I have been mentioning.
This attitude of Muslims shows brainwashing so a Muslim cannot think with his own mind. And will ignore the truth when he hears or sees it. Well according to the Living Gods laws on Blasphemy all Muslims must be stoned to death ? so that was that.
One God you say:
4)I can argue with you about you Daniel story but that was not my point. My point was that you can not prove to a muslim that his book is false by quoting from the OT. You simply have to prove it from the Quran itself.
Starjade says: That is not true no matter how you try you will not escape that easily. I have shown that Gabriel was a figment of Daniels imagination and the Christians only promoted the name Daniel in order to use that to give holiness to the image of Jesus to their congregations. They claim that Their invented Angel Gabriel appread to Mary the mother of Jesus to tell her of the coming of the chosen on. (MIGHT I ADD HERE) that this chosen one is the same Chosen one that Muhammad claimed that he was and this Gabriel squeezed him to recite out verses of the Koran. Now come on one god you are not a stupid man you can see there is error in that statement. And please do come online and argue about this Daniel story for in so doing you would be defending the Quran which is claimed to have originated from the mouth of Gabriel who was Just a man whom Daniel had dreamed up.
One God you say:
5) You claim to know stuff from so called Expert Muslim. What I really see is that you are wrong there because no such Muslim would believe in the divinity of Jesus as you claimed we do. Yes we affirm that Jesus was God's prophet but we don't see him as divine at all. Any Christian on this forum will agree on what I said here, not that Jesus is not God, but on the basis of how we perceive Jesus. So you are not only proven your ignorance to us Muslims, you are also proving your ignorance in front of the Christians here.
Starjade says: First you are missing that the Prophet of God that Jesus has claimed himself to be is that prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. Jesus claimed that Moses wrote about him and that Isaiah wrote about him. He is claimed to be from the house of David genealogy and the Christians claim their invented arch angel Gabriel appeared to give him authenticity as being Divine. That Chosen one.
Now Muhammad as you know has made the very exact and same claims as Jesus has and that is why a serious error exists in the Quran that no Muslim on earth can ever overcome for it is all a matter of recorded history.
You say I am ignorant while you have your head stuck in the sand and just blowing out wind. Hahahaha please excuse me whiles I wipe the nose goo of my computer screen for you have caused me to laugh so much my inward parts are splattering out. Your Imams are afraid of religious discourse with me and they dare not yes they dare not accuse me of any Blasphemy publicly as they did with Salmon Rushdie. Because I always put my evidence up front first to back up my mouth and your Imams know that I can satisfy Old Testament law and Gods actual word and be proven outright to be a real and genuine Prophet who does have a true connection to the Living God. ( the twelve error in the Koran) How can that be if the word of Muhammad was true of course it is because your Prophet Muhammad is not true and he was seriously mistaken. Yet I can be proven true and your Imams are sick in their bellies over that cold reality that they just know is going to be coming up publicly some times and biting their asses right off with my revelations.
Two Christian Ministers have expertise in the New Testament yet they could not dispute the words I have said about Jesus; I know that during those conversations they certainly were not laughing in fact they I gave them some serious food for thought. The Christians certainly don’t think that I am ignorant and your Imams already know that I am not ignorant in fact anyone reading these pages should clearly see that. In fact I have already challenged to world congregations over all of these issues that I am speaking about. So dream on. And by claiming Jesus was a Prophet from God is claiming divinity to Jesus.
One God you say:
6) You refuse to read the Quran. That's fine, but since you never read it. You are not qualified to judge it. You claim you heard it from experts? well that only shows how screwed up your brain is.
Starjade says: The Islamic experts who taught me all about the religion of Islam were without any doubts and they would eat you for breakfast. Mahi for instance. I would vote him in for being the Kaliph over all Muslims because he is the man for that Job. I have even told him so. You see myself I am a King of King and that is how I rule. I tell Kings what to do and they do it or at least they aughter.
I refuse to read the Koran because I would see that as being Blasphemous and those Muslims also realised that I meant that and so they quoted from the Koran and that is how I know its contents and how I can and am in a position to be able to speak. I don’t need to Quote Chapter and verse as your all supposed to be learning that book by heart and so you know exactly what passages I am referring to. Despite your claiming ignorance on these matters you know I have blown the Quran out of the water and shown it is false, I met that challenge and the Doomsday Prophet Starjade won as I knew I would for so many have come before you life is almost a Deja view experience.
Hey One God did you read about those Prophecies that I gave to Rob Rockers and William Conche and their female Translator friend who spoke then 42 different languages. Trust me if you have read that then you well know that my mind is far more in touch with reality than you or anyone on this earth could ever dream to be.
One God you say:
Suppose that your MOM and DAD taught you that killing is ok. You go around telling people that killing is ok. These people tell you that the law of this country states that killing is not ok. You respond like this: My MOM and DAD are experts, therefore I don't have to read the laws of this country. It is you people who are brain washed and believe in what is written in this law. This how you sound when you judge the Quran. DUMB.
Starjade says: When I was a Child I was taught by the Hidden Masters. They taught me that if you cut the head of a Demon then that demon will bother you know more. And in case you have not heard the Living God is my father and my mother. Have you not read of my Journey beyond the grave. http://www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chapterone.htm
SJ Quote:Old Testament laws say none of the Testimonies of Jesus are true.
One God you say: That is wrong. Many OT actually confirm that Jesus was indeed a prophet and a servant of God.
Starjade says: I am not wrong the Old Testament does not mention Jesus at all and neither does it mention Muhammad. You are wrong. But if you think different then by all means produce your evidence so everyone here can see that you are wrong. And trust me for your own sake if Christian ministers could not prove that statement then neither can you.
SJ QUOTE: This also involves the building of the Third Temple and other stuff. You see you Muslims have not grasped the fact that Jesus and all Christians believe that jesus is that very specific Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. That is why the Christians called him King of the Jews.
One God you say: HAHAHA, you don't even know your OT. Christians did not call him King of Jews just because he was promised in DEUT. 18 . It is stated in other verses but not DEUT.
Starjade says: The Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up is the King of all those Jews. A King of Kings in fact.
SJ QUOTE: My Knowledge of earthquakes however also show me a way to exact the death penalties of Blasphemy laws on them if they continue to behave blasphemously.
Onegod acting facetious says: LMAO LMAO LMAO
Starjade says: Do you think those Muslims living in Bam are as cocky as you are now they got stoned to their deaths. It isn’t funny when it happens.
SJ QUOTE: Your explanation is not sufficient. Old testament laws say the testimonies of Jesus are not true because Jesus does not have any witnesses to his claims all his claims are of his own Testimony
Onegod you say: To us Muslims, the Quran glorified Jesus. Yes he was born to a virgin. Jesus came with the INJIIL and proved those corrupted jews leaders to be corrupted. He corrected their misconception about the law, and he did great miracles that thousands have witnessed.
Starjade says: Oh no another splatter of nose goo has got to be wiped off the screen (Tee Hee) Yes Muslims did glorify Jesus in the Koran didn’t they. (TeeHee) Just as they glorify Muhammad (TeeHee) Yet that was another error in the Koran for Jesus had already claimed that he was that Prophet that God promised moses he would raise and Jesus had already claimed that Moses had written about him and that Isaiah had written about him Oh and (TeeHee) that angel Gabriel of course said to mary that Jesus was that Prophet. And whiles you Muslims indulge in Idolatry about Jesus and Muhammad erm didn’t Muhammad then make such claims about himself.
Jesus wasn’t born of a virgin Birth but the Christ was. The Christ as I have already pointed out was the Sacred key to Heavens and Hell the Amanita Muscaria. A Fly agaric Mushroom. It is born in a day supposedly without seed and it can die in a night. But if you wait around after three days it will resurrect itself. The Christ was this specific Mushroom. That is why Two Christian Bible exist. One saying that Jesus died on a Cross which was roman Christian and the other saying that the Christ died upon a Tree. Mind you I don’t expect some kuffar Muslim to understand or know anything about all of those hidden things. Hey what is the worse is that Daniel the Dreamer of Dreams was a partaker of the flesh of the Christ and it was whiles partaking he saw Gabriel in his visions whilst dreaming but hey I don’t want to go giving you too much info as it can all fry your brains.
SJ QUOTE: Jesus also claimed that he was that prophet that god promised Moses he would raise up
One God you plead:
Show me where please?
Starjade says: Oh so now you are not so sure eh? Do you quote Chapter and verse in the Koran to me or do you say go look for yourself. Tsk Tsk Tsk. Hey try John CH 4 v25 and 26 onwards. Hey try John Ch 5 v 46 where he says Moses was writing about him. But hey don’t expect a busy man like me to sit here writing down enlightenment to you. Go sit your face down and read the New testament. It is not very long. Then you will see the errors in the Koran just as I have done.
SJ QUOTE: there is no evidence that Jesus ever even existed and he did not fulfil that Prophecy:
One God says:
Umm....read the Talmud? other historical references state that Jesus existed. ARE THEY ALL FALSE? of course not.
Starjade says: Jesus is not mentioned in the Old Testament. There are no records of his trial and historical proof that he ever existed. Jesus originated from the Testimonies of Mathew Mark luke and john and exist in their origin no place else. This is a well known historical fact. Hey (Pop your Bubble) but even the Turing Shroud was proven to be false as was Jesus and as was Muhammad. The only True Prophet coming up Roses here is myself Starjade.
Starjade says:
By the way WHo is MAHI? And what are those ISlamic resources?Links or books please?
Starjade says: Of all the Muslims I have ever met Mahi was the most remarkable Islamic Expert in existence. I met him on a Salaam noticeboard forum. It was very large. Everyone of the other Muslims on the same site all said that same thing about him. And he knew beyond his own religion. Really that man had to be heard to be believed and even when Muslims did not believe Mahi would come up always and show his word was true with proof. Mahi was his Cyberspace name. It was around 1996 98 when I was speaking with him and now those Forums have closed.
Onegod you say: I am glad you called me a novice. I don't claim to know too much. But I know this. You are full of crap. I challenge you. I will prove you wrong from your OT. We can setup a conference, have witnesses and I will prove it.
Starjade says: Onegod you are very nieve so far you have not proved your beliefs true and the Challenge is already on hadn’t you noticed. And there are others writing here who are witnesses and your so blind that you cannot see that you have already lost every argument before you even began.