Archiveddefinition of sinas a matter of fact, the word sin has not been destroyed by me, math-ias , it has just been differentiated. probably you didn't read all of my words, as if you would, you would have recognized, that i didn't say at all, that homosexuality is not a sin. feel free to read my words again, then you see, that i indeed said, that homosexuality IS a sin. just with the little addition: just as everything we do IS a sin, basically. the differentiation here is that not the sin itself is the bad thing, but our way to deal with it. we have only two possibilities, to be caught in sin (2) or to be free from sin (3). to be caught in sin means to consider it from a bottom number position, where we take in position 1 or 2. as i said before, here we only see one side of the medal, but exclude the other side, here we say: i am right and you are wrong. period. without giving any real evidence. regarding our lil dialog here, let's have a look at the basic topic. the basic topic is "homosexuality is a sin". you say "homosexuality is a sin". i say "homosexuality is a sin". so regarding the basic topic, we agree, we are on the same line regarding this statement and we are not in a bottom number position. but what i see is that, strange to say, you seem to claim that i did NOT say that homosexuality is a sin, but as a matter of fact, i said it (look above for evidence). if we want to talk on, i have unfortunately to say, that for that you have to realize, that we are basically on the same line, otherwise it does not make sense for me, because i didn't come here to talk against walls i came here, cause i'm interested in constructive dialogs. i don't know if it is the same with you, but for me i can say that i am interested. so now, let's have a look at our differences. where do we disagree? i guess it is our way we deal with the topic "homosexuality is a sin". you say "the bible says, it is a bad thing, so we gotta condemn it, fight it", right? i say "everything we do is basically a sin, sinning is our basic nature, so it makes no sense to condemn it, as then we always condemn our basic nature (us) at the same time". so here we think different, here we are at the bottom numbers, currently. i now, as i know that staying at the bottom numbers can cause unnecessary disputes, tr-y to find a solution (3), that this dialog gets no destructive color, that it gets free from sin. first of all, do you find that a good attempt? or do you prefer destructive dialogs? of course i can't talk for you, but somehow i'm convinced that nobody really appreciates destructive dialogs. furthermore i have the attitude, that if two persons are on the same line basically, it should be possible to find a common line of understanding on other levels, as well, whereas i'm aware of the fact, that "possible" does not mean that it always will be the case finally, but i have no problem with that. so finding a solution is the thing, how shall we do that? how shall we do that, if we are currently down to the bottom numbers? let me think. what did the numbers teach me? to find a solution to a problem (2), we gotta change our perspective and reach a higher position (3), as only from there we can see both sides of the medal (1 and 2). so we gotta leave our position within the problem, stop being a part of the problem and get over it. ok, i offer, that i carry the cross and go in number 3 first. i leave my statement behind. doing that, i automatically say, that there has to be something right in your statement as well, that i wasn't able to see, as i was still at the bottom numbers. you said "the bible says it is a bad thing, so we gotta condemn it, fight it" (correct me if i'm wrong). mmmh, i have to admit, that i don't see the good thing at once, but i would definitely like to see it (as numbers told me, it's got to be there), so i would appreciate you to join me in number 3 by giving me some information in order for a better understanding of your attitude (can't do it alone). what i would like to know from you is what is the root of your statement? what actually makes you think, that we gotta condemn it? ok, i know you said because it is written in the bible. but, what exactly makes you think, that we should follow this axiom? what do you expect from an action like this personally? and how does it look like in your daily life? what for example would you do, if you see two gays showing the world that they are in love? will you go there and intervene? and how far would you go? or did you even prevent something like that already? if so, what was the reaction? was it a peaceful solution? or did it cause counter-violence? did it make you happy? or did you leave the scenery with an aggressive feeling? i would really appreciate to get some answers, but wouldn't have a problem, if you aren't interested in further dialog. but i guess, as you name yourself tr-uth, that you always interested in finding constructive solutions (3), right? peace, my brother math-ias |
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