Trinity DebateIs the Holy Spirit the 3rd person of the Trinity?Jesus isn't a human being in his nature. He preexisted Adam and all men, and creation. Through Him all things were made. Jesus is the Lord and King because He is one with the Father in substance and being. Just because you wish not to believe this doesn't make it false. He emptied himself of his former preexistant glory, taking the form of a humble man. Phillipians 2 puts it well. He fulfilled his role, it wasn't a choice for Him. I've gone over the Holy Spirit extensively, explaining what He is in the Bible. He is one in substance with the God the Father, and is His active presence. This idea doesn't go against the OP verses. In fact, it takes into account for other verses that you'd just assume throw away. This concept accounts fo the Spirit as an Advocate and Counselor that proceeds from the Father and speaks and acts and gives power...which shows the Spirit possess personality. He is manifest as a dove during the Baptism of Christ and is mentioned separately again from the Father in Matt 28:19 (I think??). I've said many thing about the Spirit, giving very strong well given arguments that deserve more of a strong response or perhaps agreement. And the Spirit is one substance with the Father, proceeding from Him and all that jive. The Spirit is God and has personality The Holy Spirit's role is to be God wherever the Father's presence is. This personality that proceeded from the Father carries out the Father's will in us. We can take advantage of Him, our advocate and counselor, God with us. This isn't an angel or anything like that. You'll quickly run out of alternative conclusions except: what I just said above. The Spirit is discussed shortly after. it's written that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father. How do you interpret that? He comes form the Father like Jesus came from the Father. The Father is somewhat of a static figure who sits on His throne. The point of the Trinitarian Holy Spirit is that He has personality, in the sense that He is responsive and sentient, being God. You could pray to the Holy Spirit and ask Him to give you comfort and be with you and He would hear this and respond. The Holy Spirit is this God's sentience and presence manifested in a person proceeding from God, thus is God and of God's nature. Because the Father sits on His throne, and the Holy Spirit is God in those who believe...granting power, strength, fueling his conscience with what God teaches, etc, the Spirit being the Trinitarian Holy Spirit makes sense. You will walk away eventually and know that either the Holy Spirit is of one substance with the Father, etc all that which I've said about Him, or that it does have strong basis and support in scripture for the belief...it's not made up baloney. |
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