ArchivedOSAS, continued.....Since the last thread was so hastily shut down (a decision I find laughable, but I'm not the moderator), I will continue here..... That doesn't answer the question. If apostacy is not a part of salvation, then it cannot be committed by anyone who possesses salvation. Saying that a Christian can commit apostacy is the same as saying that apostacy is a part of salvation with the end result being that of lost salvation. Well, you're right in one respect..... Jesus did say that men will walk away from faith. These men are apostates. What Jesus didn't say is that Christians will walk away from the faith. No, you're not. I'll explain what you are doing (again): 1. Statement P = "A man overcomes." 2. Statement Q = "The man's name will not be blotted out." 3. Given (by Scripture) = If P, then Q. 4. Given (by logic) = A statement and its converse are not equal. Or "If P, then Q." does not equal "If ~P, then ~Q."(~ is the logical symbol for "not"). 5. Aineo's hypothesis = "If a man does not overcome, then the man's name will be blotted out." Or If ~P, then ~Q. 6. Since Aineo's hypothesis is the converse of the given statement, we know it is not logically equivalent, and therefore cannot be assigned Scriptural authority. Your hypothesis (and you've done the same thing with practically all of the other "if... then" statements you've posted your position's defense) is not Scriptural, and it is as much proof to me of your position as me quoting out of a book like the DaVinci Code would be proof to you of mine. According to Romans 9, it does:
I'm not sure which text from Romans you're referring to here. The only one I can recall using off the top of my head is the passage above (Rom. 9). If that is the case, I don't see how you could possibly think that is referring to one man. Nowhere in the text is Paul talking in the singular. I've addressed this before, and you neglected to reply to my answer. The "all" and the "any" in this verse do not refer to all of mankind. It refers to all of the elect. The context of this verse is an encouragement to not grow frustrated because the Lord has not returned yet, and judged the heathens. Paul explains that Jesus cannot return until all of His elect have become saved. If Jesus came back "too early" then some of His elect would be lost, since they have not come to the point of accepting Christ yet. God is not willing for that to happen, so He delays in returning until they have all come to Him. As to why God would predestinate any to reject His path..... well, you'll have to take that up with God when we get to heaven. All I know is that God does everything for His own glory, so having some reject Him must bring Him glory (probably because it is a contrast to the choice of those that accept Him). The Bible says that there are those that God has created for the purpose of destruction (see Rom. 9 above), and I believe it. You accuse me of denying certain passages, yet you seem to be denying this one. Ummm... I believe I have. It is you that has not replied to my responses to your posts. If I've missed a verse or two that you posted, accept my apologies and remind me of which one(s) I missed. You do alot of this, Aineo. Simply waving your hand in a manner that says "I don't care what you post. The fact is [insert Aineo hypothesis]. I will continue to post concise assumptions with no explanation. It's up to you to accept what I say as fact." How about, instead of doing that, you post some more Scripture that defends your position, and we can go from there. |
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