Trinity DebateMessianic Prophecies vs. the Trinityabsolutetruth wrote:yeah. we believe that Jesus was FULLY human. so He did come from the woman's seed. and His earthly manifestation was begotten that day.
Since I defended the Trinity for decades I understand how Trinitarians apply both these Scriptures. The question being addressed on this thread is does the Trinity line up with the Messianic prophecies. You have posted an interpretation based on a select few OT and NT Scriptures.
Here is another Messianic prophecy: Proverbs 8:22-36
22 "The LORD possessed me at the beginning of His way,
Before His works of old.
23 "From everlasting I was established,
From the beginning, from the earliest times of the earth.
24 "When there were no depths I was brought forth,
When there were no springs abounding with water.
25 "Before the mountains were settled,
Before the hills I was brought forth;
26 While He had not yet made the earth and the fields,
Nor the first dust of the world.
27 "When He established the heavens, I was there,
When He inscribed a circle on the face of the deep,
28 When He made firm the skies above,
When the springs of the deep became fixed,
29 When He set for the sea its boundary,
So that the water should not transgress His command,
When He marked out the foundations of the earth;
30 Then I was beside Him, as a master workman;
And I was daily His delight,
Rejoicing always before Him,
31 Rejoicing in the world, His earth,
And having my delight in the sons of men. 32 "Now therefore, O sons, listen to me,
For blessed are they who keep my ways.
33 "Heed instruction and be wise,
And do not neglect it.
34 "Blessed is the man who listens to me,
Watching daily at my gates,
Waiting at my doorposts.
35 "For he who finds me finds life,
And obtains favor from the LORD.
36 "But he who sins against me injures himself;
All those who hate me love death."
NAS
"I was brought forth" is this Hebrew word: OT:2342
chuwl or chiyl --
to twist, to whirl, to dance, to writhe, to fear, to tremble, to travail, to be in anguish, to be pained
a) (Qal)
1) to dance
2) to twist, to writhe
3) to whirl, to whirl about
b) (Polel)
1) to dance
2) to writhe (in travail with), to bear, to bring forth
3) to wait anxiously
c) (Pulal)
1) to be made to writhe, to be made to bear
2) to be brought forth
d) (Hophal) to be born
e) (Hithpolel)
1) whirling (participle)
2) writhing, suffering torture (participle)
3) to wait longingly
f) (Hithpalpel) to be distressed
(from The Online Bible Thayer's Greek Lexicon and Brown Driver & Briggs Hebrew Lexicon, Copyright (c)1993, Woodside Bible Fellowship, Ontario, Canada. Licensed from the Institute for Creation Research.)
OT:2342
chuwl (khool); or chiyl (kheel); a primitive root; properly, to twist or whirl (in a circular or spiral manner), i.e. (specifically) to dance, to writhe in pain (especially of parturition) or fear; figuratively, to wait, to pervert:
KJV - bear, (make to) bring forth, (make to) calve, dance, drive away, fall grievously (with pain), fear, form, great, grieve, (be) grievous, hope, look, make, be in pain, be much (sore) pained, rest, shake, shapen, (be) sorrow (-ful), stay, tarry, travail (with pain), tremble, trust, wait carefully (patiently), be wounded.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
So, once again we see an OT prophecy that shows the Son is a created being who existed at least in thought if not spirit when God created. Psalm 8 deals with the personification of wisdom in the Son.
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