Liberate wrote:H2O wrote:I am a fundamentalist. I couldnt be a believing muslim if I wasnt a fundamentalist whom follows and believes in the fundamental teachings of The Quran.
Then you are a paedophile supporting human being an insult to the rest of humanity asking everybody to respect this sick beast of a man.
H2O wrote:How do I feel about an older man marrying a young woman at 9-10 ? As long as she is happy and comfortable with that man I am totally in support of it.
Would I marry a woman that age ? Notice I said woman not girl. If the country I lived in permitted it, and the young woman was fond of me and family, she was willing and comfortable with me, yes I would.
Do I get sexual aroused by young girls ? No, as for my age I am more sexually aroused by women older than me.
Then why would I marry such a young woman ? For the well being and longivity of a family for better ties and relationship between mother and children, and, authority.
The meaning of pedophile is inapplicable.
Liberate wrote:H2O wrote:If that is what you think then so be it. I already said that I would Nikah a woman of such age, I find nothing wrong with it, as for my purpose for doing it has nothing to do with sex.
Knowing full well that Nikah means to "penetrate... to have sexual intercourse"... do you realise what you just said makes you no different from a paedophile?
Our book expresses Nikah without consummation.
Liberate wrote:H2O wrote:Something must be wrong with you. You ask a question when you already have the answer. Wow man, your really amazing ! The source your quoted tells you that they married after the Hijrah.
Are you sure you even read it?
Did you read this particular bit in the beginning of it?:
It is not clear just when the marriage actually took place
When, not Where ~ which was in Medina whereas when they got married in Medina is not clear.
Liberate wrote:Tell us exactly what makes you believe the marriage took place pre hijrah or post hijrah? if it's pre hijrah what makes you think Mohammed didn't consumate the marriage with a pre-pubescent nine year old girl? If it's post-hijrah what makes you think Mohammed didn't consumate the 'marriage' with a nine year old pre-pubescent girl?
We already posted it, go back and read.
Liberate wrote:Let us ask you a simple question when do you think the marriage actually took place? Mecca or Medina? where is your proof? For you to say Aisha had reached puberty you must have a definite logical reason based on those same hadiths, if you believe they all contradict each other what makes you think your unwarranted interpretation out of context isn't also a contradiction, and by your own standards be dismissed?
We already posted it, go back and read.
Liberate wrote:Document A
Sahih Bukhari vol. 5, Book 58, Number 234 Narrated 'Aisha: The prophet engaged (Khitbah) me when I was a girl of six. We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Harith Kharzraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage).
Mecca is being hinted at that the betrothal/engagement/marriage contract took place.
So why ask me if you already knew ?
Liberate wrote:It seems you missed the question entirely, you are saying the one hadith you interpret to mean the marriage took place after the Hijrah contradicts the others that indicate the 'marriage' took place pre-hijrah ..........
The others ? Now you have pluralized what I said. Why cant you quote the post ?
Liberate wrote:Where is Mecca or Medina mentioned as the place the marriage/betrothal/engagement took place?...
Where is Mecca or Medina mentioned as the place the marriage/betrothal/engagement took place?
Where is Mecca or Medina mentioned as the place the marriage/betrothal/engagement took place?
Thats your problem you dont pay attention, I already answered your questions
H2O wrote:On the other hand you have hadeeths that say, with out the locality, he married her when she was six and then others 9. These hadeeths are taking into perspective with the hadeeths that report they married after the Hijrah.
You must have done Horrible on your SAT for reading IQ comprehension. Hmm maybe you never took an SAT.
Liberate wrote:If Mohammed married Aisha three years after the death of Khadijah and he stayed 'there' for 2 years or so before marrying Aisha 'there' is obviously not referring to Medina but still in Mecca, notice there is no then or subsequent adverb between the two mutually exclusive statements, hence no contradiction with your document A. Seeing your impressive deductive reasoning skills I wonder if this will go over your head.
LLLLLLLLLLOOOLLLLLLLLL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"There" is refered to Medina not Makkah. He lived all his life in Makkah with Khadijah.
Do you have any Idea what you are saying ? Sound like your confused wanting to interpret something another way that it is not.
1) You stated in the above interpretation quote in bold that Muhammad Married Aisha
three years after Khadijah passes away,
2) The Hijrah was three years after Khadijah passed away.
3) Then on the other hand you stated that he stayed there in Makkah for two years or so before marrying her.
:roll:
H2O wrote:Do you also notice who is in the isnad of this hadith compared to the isnad of the other hadiths? who do you think holds more credibility Aisha or Hisham?
We have Quran.