Christian/Muslim ThreadsWhy does Allah use the word We to refer to HimseH20 Wrote:
Comatose? I am fully awake my friend. Ummm Well I am Lebanese! Christian amarakiyyati wa aswadi??? I have no clue what you are trying to say here. H20 Wrote: Agreed. H20 Wrote: It is all arabic yes, but if you have different dialects often different words will come up too, or the same words that can mean different things. Want a example? H20 Wrote: Oh my days! do I really have to go into depth with you about this? The whole Quran was not completely compiled into a book until roughly 25 years after mohammeds death, although it did exsist, but rather on pieces of woods, papers, palm leaves, bones…etc. There is even a Hadith that says a goat ate a piece of the Quran!! want the hadith? What about the Copy of the Quran by Hafsa? Uthman returned Hafsa's copy of the Quran to her. Her copy however was later burned by Marwan b. Hakam (d.65/684). Why? Burning of Hafsa's copy was the last chapter in covering up the addition of two false verses in sura 9 as later discovered. What about the Tashkent Quran? I can't even be botherd to go into this in full to tell you the truth, been there done that. Let me show you a few differences in the Qurans that we have. The "original" Tashkent manuscript of the Quran of 20:3 is without nun but the modern version includes it The Tashkent manuscript of the Quran in 36:20 is missing the Yaa and Nun which the modern version has. The Tashkent manuscript in 36:21 is missing a Meem which the modern version has. The Tashkent manuscript in 20:108 is without seen which is in the modern version. And many more examples that can make this post very long. H20 Wrote: The diacrical marks where inserted by whom exactly? and at what date? It has been proven that one diacrical mark can change the meaning of one arabic word into 11 meanings! You say many of the ahafeez died in war? Very true. "Many of the passages of the Qur'an that were sent down were known by those who died on the day of Yamama ... but they were not known by those who survived them, nor were they written down, nor had Abu Bakr, Umar or Uthman (by that time) collected the Qur'an, nor were they found with even one (person) after them." (Ibn Abi Dawud, Kitab al-Masahif, p. 23). Missing passages from the Quran? Narrated Anas bin Malik: Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Said bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23) Here we see how the problem of having different versions of the Qur'an was fixed. It was fixed by Uthman standardising one version of the Qur'an and ordering that all others be burnt. Thus even the "seven" variations that Muhammad allowed were removed. Nobody around Muhammad's time considered the Quraishi Dialect to be any more eloquent and proper than anybody elses dialect. Notice that neither in the Hadiths or even the Quran do we see that the Quraish being extoled for their language. H20 Wrote: So im not speaking arabic? H20 Wrote: I guess we are trying to do as the Mulsims do with the Bible. Trying to prove Mohammed is in the Scriptures ect... Muslims go a little more further by trying to find Mohammed in the hindu scriptures too, it amazes me. H20 Wrote: "Christians" that dont believe in the Trinity are not Christians, they are a heretical cult. Peace |
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