12 proofs of Muhammad examined by Starjade:
You sad little Kuffars do not expect me to write in this thread with you Kuffar grunts. You cannot handle the truth and are not competant to hold religious conversations but intsead rant lies to each other that you all just dream would have happened. Well dumpheads here is some more regarding the false Prophet Mad Muhammad and his followers.
Proof 1: Muhammad was raised illiterate, unable to read or write, and remained like that till his death. Among all his people, he was known as being truthful and trustworthy. Before receiving revelation, he had no prior knowledge of Religion or any previously sent Message. He remained like that for his first forty years. Revelation then came to Muhammad with the Qur'an that we now have between our hands. This Qur'an mentioned most of the accounts found in the previous scriptures, telling us about these events in the greatest detail as if he witnessed them. These accounts came precisely as they were found in the Torah sent down to Moses and in the Gospel sent down to Jesus. Neither the Jews or Christians were able to believe him regarding anything that he said.
Starjades reply to Proof One:
Muhammad was a Camel trader who was reputed to be so trustworthy that other traders would leave their books with him. So he was not as illiterate as others claim. Despite the claims that Muhammad had no prior knowledge of Religion, it is historically clear that Muhammad’s wife’s cousin who was called Waraqa bin Nawful bin Asad al-uzza and who had embraced Christianity in the pre Islamic period. Was very close to Muhammad and his wife and clearly they would have discussed religious matters with him. In fact it was Waraqi who told Muhammad that he was a Prophet from God. So he clearly must have had some prior religious knowledge. At least of Christianity. The Quran was supposedly originated from the mouth of an angel called Gabriel. This is odd as Gabriel was first mentioned by Daniel. Daniel Chapter 8 verse 16: And I heard a mans voice between the banks of Ulai which called and said Gabriel make this man understand the vision. Verse 17: So he came near where I stood and when he came I was afraid and fell upon my face. He said unto me, understand O son of man for at the time of the end shall be the vision. Verse 18: Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: But he touched me and set me upright. Starjade says: So Daniel was in a Dream and saw this vision and he did not see so well with his face buried in the ground and at no time throughout did Daniel ever call Gabriel an Angel but in fact described Gabriel as being a man and further a man that he had dreamed. OK.
Therefore this Gabriel was someone that Daniel had dreamt up. At no time did Daniel ever refer to Gabriel as being an angel. But look through the pages to the Christians new Testament which we all know sprang from the Roman Christian period. Luke Chapter1 verse 19: And the Angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel that stand in the presence of God and I am sent to thee and to shew thee these glad tidings. Verse 26: And in the sixth month the Angel Gabriel was sent from God unto the city of Galilea named Nazereth: This is the attempt by the Christians to try and use the name Gabriel as an Angel sent to authenticate Jesus Tsk Tsk Tsk…..but at the time of Gabriels invention he was nothing more than a dream that Daniel had. So in reality Gabriel did not exist in reality but was of Daniels dreams.
Proof 2:
Also foretold of everything that would occur to him and his community after him, pertaining to victory, the removal of the tyrannical kingdoms of Chosroes [the royal title for the Zoroastrian kings of Persia] and Caesar, and the establishment of the religion of Islam throughout the earth. These events occurred exactly as Muhammad foretold, as if he was reading the future from an open book.
Starjades reply to proof Two.
Many can foretell future events and some things are clearly obvious. The spread of Islam was not a true Prophecy for it was either follow Islam or die. There was given little choice.
Proof 3:
Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) also brought an Arabic Qur'an that is the peak of eloquence and clarity. The Qur'an challenged those eloquent and fluent Arabs of his time, who initially belied him, to bring forth a single chapter like the Qur'an. The eloquent Arabs of his day were unable to contest this Qur'an. Indeed, till our day, none has ever dared to claim that he has been able to compose words that equal-or even approach-the order, grace, beauty, and splendor of this Glorious Qur'an.
Starjades reply to Proof Three:
Muhammad claims the verses of the Koran were given to him by the Arch Angel Gabriel. Yet Gabriel originated in the Dreams of Daniel the dreamer in the Old Testament and Daniel said that Gabriel was a man not an Angel. The Christians latched onto this Gabriel and re invented him as being an Angel who was sent to authenticate Jesus as being that specific Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. That is the same Prophet and claims that Muhammad is making in his Koran. So there are flaws in the Quran not only in its authenticity and its author but also in its contents.
Proof 4:
The life history of this Noble Prophet was a perfect example of being upright, merciful, compassionate, truthful, brave, generous, distant from all evil character, and ascetic in all worldly matters, while striving solely for the reward of the Hereafter. Moreover, in all his actions and dealings, he was ever mindful and fearful of Allah.
Starjades reply to Proof Four:
This is not any proof of Muhammad being a Prophet from God just because he was claimed to be a right nice Guy. Such things could be said about anybody.
Proof 5:
Allah instilled great love for Muhammad in the hearts of all who believed in and met him. This love reached such a degree that any of his companions would willingly sacrifice his (or her) self, mother or father for him. Till today, those who believe in Muhammad honor and love him. Anyone of those who believe in him would ransom his own family and wealth to see him, even if but once.
Starjades reply to Proof Five: Idolatry is a Blasphemy crime. And such things could be said about Elvis. If people love a man then it is those People not God who are causing that idolization.
Proof 6: . All of history has not preserved the biography of any person in the manner it has preserved the life of Muhammad, who is the most influential human in history. Nor has the entire earth known of anyone whom every morning and evening, and many times thereafter throughout the day, is thought of by those who believe in him. Upon remembering Muhammad, the believers in him will greet him and ask Allah to bless him. They do such with full hearts and true love for him.
Starjades reply to Proof Six:
Again Idolisation claims about Muhammad do not make him a Prophet from God. Similar claims can be said about Jesus, Elvis and Siddharta Guatama the founder of Buddhism.
Proof 7. Nor has there every been a man on earth whom is still followed in all his doings by those who believe in him. Those who believe in Muhammad, sleep in the manner he slept; purify themselves (through ablution and ritual washing) in the manner he purified himself; and adhere to his practice in the way they eat, drink, and clothe themselves. Indeed in all aspects of their lives, the believers in Muhammad adhere to the teachings he spread among them and the path that he traveled upon during his life. During every generation, from his day till our time, the believers in this Noble prophet have fully adhered to his teachings. With some, this has reached the degree that they desire to follow and adhere to the Prophet's way in his personal matters regarding which Allah has not sought of them to adhere to in worship. For example, some will only eat those specific foods or only wear those specific garments that the Messenger liked. Let alone all that, all those who believe in Muhammad repeat those praises of Allah, special prayers, and invocations that he would say during each of his actions during day and night, like: what he would say when he greeted people, upon entering and leaving the house, entering and leaving the mosque, entering and leaving the bathroom, going to sleep and awaking from sleep, observing the new crescent, observing the new fruit on trees, eating, drinking, dressing, riding, traveling and returning from travel, etc. Let alone all that, all those who believe in Muhammad fully perform-even to the minute detail-every act of worship-like prayer, fasting, charity, and pilgrimage-as this Noble Messenger (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) taught and as he himself performed. All of this allows those who believe in him, to live their lives in all aspects with this Noble Messenger as their example, as if he was standing before them, for them to follow in all their doings.
Starjades reply to Proof Seven:
Again Idolators mimic their idols. Many who worship Elvis dress talk and try to be like their idol. This is not uncommon. The same could be said for many other idols. And none of this is evidence of anyone being a Prophet who has come from God in fact idolatry is frowned upon by Gods real Prophets.
Proof 8:
There has never been nor will there ever be a man anywhere upon this earth who has received such love, respect, honor, and obedience in all matters-small and large alike-as has this Noble Prophet.
Starjades reply to proof Eight: Oh yes there has. I name Jesus and Sidharta Guatama (the founder of Buddhism) and let us not forget Elvis. So again the Muslims are full of their idolatry that they are willing to lie and deceive others regarding these matters. Proof 9:
Since his day, in every region of the earth and during every period, this Noble Prophet has been followed by individuals from all races, colors and peoples. Many of those who followed him were previously Christians, Jews, pagans, idolaters, or without any religion. Among those who chose to follow him, were those who were known for their sound judgment, wisdom, reflection, and foresight. They chose to follow this Noble Prophet after they witnessed the signs of his truthfulness and the evidences of his miracles. They did not choose to follow Muhammad out of compulsion or coercion or because they had adopted the ways of their fathers and mothers. Indeed many of the followers of this Prophet (may Allah's blessings peace be upon him), chose to follow him during the time when Islam was weak, when there were few Muslims, and when there was severe persecution of his followers on earth. Most people who have followed this Prophet (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) have done so not to acquire some material benefits. Indeed many of his followers have suffered the greatest forms of harm and persecution as a result of following this Prophet. Despite all this harm and persecution, this did not turn them back from his religion. My brethren! All of this clearly indicates to anyone possessing any sense, that this Prophet was truly and really Allah's messenger and that he was not just a man who claimed prophethood or spoke about Allah without knowledge.
Starjades reply to proof Nine:
Muslims were told either you follow Islam or you die. Now that is serious cohersion. And Muslims have no choice but to adopt the ways of their fathers and mothers. I find it truly offensive that such lies are fed with such Gall to deceive the congregations. I can cite Sabbatai Zevi who was told either follow the religion of Islam or die and Sabbatai then had little choice. The religion of Islam can be proven to be false and full of errors. Some of the laws of Islam are unjust and cruel. Islam does not speak with the authority of the Living God. So it is hardly a true religion.
10. With all this, Muhammad came with a great religion in its creedal and legal make-up. Muhammad described Allah with qualities of complete perfection, and at the same time in a manner that is free of ascribing to Him any imperfection. Neither the philosophers or the wise could ever describe Allah like such. Indeed it is impossible to imagine that any human mind could conceive of an existing being that possesses such complete ability, knowledge, and greatness; Who has subdued the creation; Who has encompassed everything in the universe, small or large; and Who possesses such perfect mercy. Nor is it in the ability of any human being to place a perfect law based upon justice, equality, mercy and objectivity for all human activity on earth like the laws that Muhammad brought for all spheres of human activity - like buying and selling, marriage and divorce, renting, testimony, custody, and all other contracts that are necessary to uphold life and civilization on earth.
Starjades reply to proof Ten:
As Muhammad has not been proven to be a Prophet from God certainly not with this sort of proof then Muhammad was in no position to speak about God or on Gods behalf. Both God and Moses already made laws for others to adhere to and so did Sidharta Guatama the founder of Buddhism. Muslims talk of perfect mercy in these proofs and yet say follow Islam or you will die.
11. It is impossible that any person conceive wisdom,, morals, good manners, nobleness of characters as what this honorable Prophet brought. In a full and complete manner, Muhammad spread a teaching regarding character and manners toward one's parents, relatives, fiends, family, humanity, animals, plants and inanimate objects. It is impossible for the human mind alone to grasp all of that teaching or come with a similar teaching. All of that unequivocally indicates that this Messenger did not bring any of this religion from his own accord, but that it was rather a teaching and inspiration that he received from the One Who created the earth and the high heavens above and created this universe in its miraculous architecture and perfection.
Starjades reply to proof eleven:
Actually Muhammad admits that he got his information from an Angel called Gabriel who was invented by the Christians as being an Angel when Gabriel originated from a statement made by Daniel in the Old Testament. A statement that he Daniel himself has said that he saw in a dream when he was asleep. So Gabriel was not a real entity but something that Daniel had dreamed up. And Sidharta Guatama the founder of Buddhism created a Philosophy that adheres to a religious belief that was far more profound than anything any other soul has ever written.
Proof 12:
The legal and creedal make-up of the religion that the Messenger, Muhammad, brought resembles the engineering of the heavens and the earth. All of that indicates that He who created the heavens and the earth is the One Who sent down this great law and upright religion. The degree of inimitability of the Divine law that was sent down upon Muhammad is to the same degree of inimitability of the Divine creation of the heavens and earth. For just as humanity cannot create this universe, in the same manner humanity cannot bring forth a law like Allah's law that He sent down upon His servant and messenger Muhammad.
Starjades reply to proof twelve:
Muhammad has not been proven to be a messenger from God and he certainly is in no position of authority to speak on Gods behalf. In fact the Living Gods Old Testament laws prove that Muhammad was a false Prophet and deluded as a madman with his beliefs. God and Moses make the laws not Muhammad. And let us not forget that the Quran was supposedly written by a man called Gabriel that Daniel the dreamer of dreams had dreamed up in a dream.
Starjades Conclusion:
After reading all these so-called proofs I am offended at this insult to my intelligence. I asked the Muslims what proof exists that can prove that Muhammad is a Prophet from God and these 12 paragraphs are what they think is evidence and proof. Well it may satisfy their feeble minds but my anger is now blazing.