You should be ashamed

Discussion in 'Homosexual Discussion Forum' started by afteryou, Jan 30, 2007.

  1. afteryou

    afteryou New Member

    i recently came across an archived thread here about a a boy who killed himself after telling his fundamentalist Christian mother he was gay. Christians should be ashamed of themselves for making other people feel bad because your beliefs do not agree with theirs. If jesus was real, and alive, what would he say to you? i know what i am going to say to you....


    FU(K CHRISTIANITY
     
  2. elbowgeek

    elbowgeek New Member

    I just found the above thread you mention through digg, and I concur.

    The true Jesus, upon encountering a homosexual (or anyone for that matter) would probably smile and say "I love you." His inner, Godly, light would shine through (this is assuming the existence of said deities of course) and that would be enough. I know that the Jesus as described in the Bible would under no circumstances tolerate the type of gross ignorance and hateful intolerance of the mother involved, although he would not hate her either of course.

    Also, see my thread just posted on the subject of physiological causes of homosexuality.

    Dennis
     
  3. Nathaniel

    Nathaniel New Member

    Well it seems obvious from looking at a few posts in these forums that about half the people here think that being gay is a sin, and probably would agree with what the mother said(Though at first I thought she sounded relatively fake, though I've begun to doubt that).
    Damn right Afteryou! The Bible was obviously just a storybook written for political reasons. ex. Homosexuality= labeled as sin so more people reproduce + Christians gain power
     
  4. JSanders

    JSanders New Member

    Being Gay is not a choice

    I don't understand how people think you change a gay person. How can you tell your son or daughter that they are wrong and will go to hell because of who they are!

    It is no different than telling a child with mental-retardation that they should change or telling your daughter that you are disappointed in her because she is a girl.

    To the woman whose son killed himself because she would not accept his homosexuality:

    It's nice that you value your beliefs more than the life of your son.

    People fail to realise that Jesus taught love and compassion - not hatred and closed-mindedness.

    Fundamental Christians scare me as much as extremists of other faiths. All they teach is hate and exclusion - if you aren't with us you are going to hell - nice values.
     
  5. Aineo

    Aineo Active Member

    Jesus taught obedience to God and had compassion for the multitude. What Jesus did that those with an institutional church mindset do not do was to teach God's truth and then let people make their own decisions. And although Jesus had a lot to say about love, he had even more to say about the sovereignty of God and the consequences of disobedience to God's revealed will. Jesus was "close-minded" in his message of salvation and how to enter the Kingdom of God.

    Comparing mental retardation and homosexuality is ludicrous since behavior can be controlled, modified, even totally "changed". So what should a parent do if their child tells them they are "gay"? The answer is simple. First love them and give them a stable and safe home. Going ballistic is not going to benefit the child or the parent. Then educate themselves, since all sexuality experts agree that family environment contributes to the development and "change" of sexual orientation.
     
  6. Robin

    Robin New Member

    hahahaha
     
  7. Aineo

    Aineo Active Member

    Those who cannot disprove what is posted laugh because of their ignorance. You need to educate yourself.
     
  8. Robin

    Robin New Member

    sure... I nodd in agreement
     
  9. Robin

    Robin New Member

    [[I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post URL's on this site but since I always learned to verify the source of my information I'll just do so. Tell me if I'm doing anything wrong. Thanks.]]

    First I would like to say that I've not read all articles in the links I've disclosed in this reply since it's not worth it. I just want to show that I'm not that uneducated. Off course the omnicient knows more than I do, but saying I'm entirely ignorant is untrue.

    Also I would like to say that there's a chance that I'm wrong. But since it's a discussion, and I do believe Homosecuality isn't a choice I did take some time to look for some sources sharing my point of view. Normally I know better than to argue with someone like you, since there's no use, but everyone commits sins in time. ;)


    http://www.psychology.org.au/publications/tip_sheets/12.5_10.asp#is
    http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_changing.html

    Wikipedia isn't a reliable source, but still I want to mention what it says here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice_and_sexual_orientation

    http://www.apa.org/topics/orientation.html#choice

    Can some gay men and lesbians change their sexual orientation? 200 participants reporting a change from homosexual to heterosexual orientation (1). By Robert L. Spitzer says:


    Off course there are also some sources who say the opposite:

    Unreliable source:

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_fixe.htm


    and I have to say also some reliable sources like this one:

    http://www.familyresearchinst.org/Default.aspx?tabid=75

    If any thing in my post came off as offensife I apologise. Also I'd like to apologise for any spelling/grammar/interpuntion errors I made in this post. English isn't my native tongue.
     
  10. Aineo

    Aineo Active Member

    First, there are no studies to back up the APA stance, in fact there is a growing movement within both APA's to readdress and maybe reverse the 1973 decision. Second, those who know anything about when homosexual desires develop agree that the feelings are not chosen. The only groups who insist homosexuals choose the desires are those who depend on groups like the last one you linked to. Third, either you or your souce misquoted Spitzer.
     
  11. Robin

    Robin New Member

    This is why I said I shouldn't start discussing it. I shouldn't have started a discussion with someone like you because it just is of no use.

    You people really really shouldn't learn to open your mind, only a tiny little bit to see what is reality.

    It's about accepting, agreeing and disagreeing. It's not about the endless discussion, and always saying "you are wrong" nor is it about pointing the finger to whom goes the blame. When you tell someone that he's wrong and evil than you still say that to a son or daughter of God.

    In my world, which is a happy and joyfull word, it's all about tolerance and not about change and putting change upon someone. It's not about telling people who, according to your faith are doing a wrong thing, that they're wrong and bad and will burn in Hell. It's about accepting that they're diffirent and that they don't believe in what you believe it. They are human and if they don't believe they'll go to Hell instead of what you believe, pity them, keep believing what you believe but keep it inside. It's YOUR believe, not THEIRS.

    Tolerate other people's believe, It really isn't their fault they're alive. It ain't anybody's fault.

    Remember that we're all God's children. It's good people believe in God and the Bible, but don't take it too serious and go too far.
    Why don't we just make this a good world for everyone to be happy in. Instead of making it miserable for 'The others'. It can be so simple...

    (And just as a question, I see a lot of people got banned so it mustn't be too hard... Any tips, or am I going good this way?)

    Yours,
     
  12. Aineo

    Aineo Active Member

    People get banned only for violating our Forum Rules. Those who have been banned have routinely violated those rules. Also the vast majority of those who have been banned posted links to porn and commercial sites in violation of our Forum Rules.

    This is a fundamentalist/evangelical message board, therefore when people register and post here they should expect fundamentalist/evangelicals to support their theology.
    Tolerating diversity in everyday life is not the same as tolerating misinformation and outright lies that are posted to deceive the ill informed.

    "The wages of sin is death, the gift of God is eternal life"; this gift is given only to those who love and obey God and His Anointed Messiah. Therefore, if you have a problem with God's truth I suggest you take this up with God, especially since He invites you to "reason with Him".
     
  13. Robin

    Robin New Member

    Than, apparently, there is no reason for me to be here.
     
  14. Aineo

    Aineo Active Member

    If you are looking for an egalitarian acceptance of behavior then you will not find an evangelical message board that satisfies you. God is not a Universalist, He is a righteous God who will judge mankind based on His criteria not ours.
     
  15. Vipera

    Vipera New Member

    Which won't really matter if we've accepted Jesus as the Messiah, right?
     
  16. Aineo

    Aineo Active Member

    No. Accepting Jesus as the Messiah and living a life acceptable to God are not the same.
     
  17. Robin

    Robin New Member

    I know God is good. Also I know that you are not.
     
  18. Aineo

    Aineo Active Member

    You have a right to your opinion. However, in as much as you have not and cannot refute what I have posted with God's word reveals a lot about you. What I surmise based on your posts is you do not understand Scripture.
    No human being is "good".
    Simply accepting Jesus as the Messiah will not get anyone into his kingdom.
     
  19. elbowgeek

    elbowgeek New Member

    Which one? There were loads of dudes prowling around the thunderously ignorant peasants of the biblical times calling themselves the Son of God, very much the televangelists of their time. All asking for a few alms which would get you into heaven or heal a broken leg, etc.

    I do think the Jesus of the bible was merely a fantastical construct, the product of a whistful dream of a character who stands strong despite all odds and manages to defy the odds even though he appears to be dead. Kinda like the role filled by so many movie action stars of today. In fact, exactly the same role. We all need a hero - you know the scenario: the bad guys think they've finally defeated the bloke with the heavy weapons (in Jesus' case, the weapon is pure love for others), only in the last scene to see him rise from the dead to deal a final blow to the evil ones.

    From there various scholars picked up on it and over thunk the whole silly communist manifesto that became the bible as if it were a serious document and we end up where we are today.

    Cheers
     
  20. Aineo

    Aineo Active Member

    Based on what we know today your "thunderously ignorant peasants" included the entire human race, after all the major religions of the time believed in randy gods who seemed obsessed with violence and sex.

    That "fantastical construct" resulted in some major influences that changed the world. Also that "fantastical construct" is supported by archeology, which makes your post a "fantastical construct" based on your opinions, which you have the right and freedom to express.

    Cheers.
     

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