1. Steven509

    Steven509 New Member

    Hi, I met a girl who's family are mormons, but I am curious, what are they and what is the diference between them and christians?
     
  2. John 10:10

    John 10:10 New Member

    "In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ.' 'No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.'" (LDS Church News Week ending June 20, 1998, p.7 )

    Christians have long maintained that Mormonism teaches a Jesus that is different from what the Bible reveals. Of course, the Mormons say that they believe in the same Jesus that originally walked on the earth and is revealed in the Bible. Though they may make this claim, it is up to them to prove it. Especially in light of what Mormonism says about God and Jesus.

    In Mormonism, Jesus is a creation, the product of relations between god and his goddess wife who used to be people from another world (Mormon Doctrine by Bruce McConkie, pp. 192, 321, 516, 589). Jesus is the literal spirit brother of the devil and of you and I (McConkie, pp, 192, 589). Also, in Mormon theology, God has a body of flesh and bones (Doctrine & Covenants, 130:22.) as does his wife and together they produce spirit offspring in heaven who inhabit human bodies on earth.

    Very few, if any, of the 'different' Mormon doctrines are found in their Standard Works: the Bible, The Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, and The Pearl of Great Price. Rather, they are taught by Mormons of high standing: prophets, apostles, members of the 70 Quorum. McConkie, for example, was a member of the 70's Quorum, a very high ranking Mormon and wrote the book, Mormon Doctrine where much of the documentation for this is taken from.

    President Hinkley, the prophet and revelator of the Mormon church, has publicly declared that the Jesus of Mormonism and traditional Christianity are not the same. Let's take a look at the difference between the Mormon Jesus and the one of Traditional Christianity.

    The Mormon Jesus
    The literal son of god and his goddess wife begotten in the pre-existence.
    The brother of all spirits born in heaven in the premortal existence.
    One of 3 gods in the godhead.
    The Trinity is three separate gods.
    First one to receive a spirit body.
    Atoned for sin on the cross and in the garden of Gethsemane.

    The Christian Jesus
    Not the literal son of god and his goddess wife.
    Not the brother of all spirits born in heaven in a premortal existence.
    Not one of 3 gods in the godhead.
    The Trinity is 3 persons in one God.
    Was always spirit from eternity.
    Atoned for sin on the cross alone.

    This brief comparison should help you see the difference between the two. Jesus cannot be both literal son of god and his goddess wife and not the literal begotten son. He cannot be both one of 3 gods, and not one of 3 gods. They are different. In fact, it would be a lot easier if the Mormons called him by a different name. For example, Bolok would be good. Bolok is one of three gods, but Jesus is not. etc. That way, it would be a lot easier to tell them apart.

    Mormonism definitely does not teach the same Jesus as Christianity.

    http://www.carm.org/lds/lds_jesus.htm

    Can Mormons be true born again Believers in the Lord Jesus Chrust? Yes they can, but not because of the Mormon Church teachings, but in spite of the Mormon Church teachings. A sinner becomes a Christian by following the simple message Peter preached in Acts 2:38-39,

    "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself."
     
  3. tuppence

    tuppence New Member

    That's an excellent summary by John 10:10 of some of the differences.

    You might also be interested in reading information on the following URL's about the Mormon cult

    http://invitation.to/dance/cults-mormon.htm

    http://mormonconspiracy.com/cult.html

    http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Cults/mormon.htm

    There are MANY more sites, including a number by ex-Mormons.

    HOWEVER, your best defense against cults and doctrinal errors of any kind is to know the Bible. Read it cover to cover -- try for once a year. Four chapters a day does it.
     
  4. Steven509

    Steven509 New Member

    do you think that a christian and a mormon can get a long as a couple? Perhaps even marry and/or have kids?

    She seemed to have similer beliefs as me, not everything, but close.
    I hope that something can be worked out peacefully.
     
  5. tuppence

    tuppence New Member

    No way. The Mormon church will counsel her to not marry you unless and until you convert to Mormonism. The pressures on her will be intense. Should you 'revert' to biblical Christianity during your marriage, she will be counseled to divorce you.

    DO NOT MARRY A MORMON! You will be asking for heartache beyond your belief.

    Are you willing to give up your faith in Christ? The Christ of the Bible?

    The Christ she believes in in the brother of Satan. Are you willing to go with that?

    You'd better read up on this religion and read up on it fast! You are going to have to decide which is more important to you, the God of the Bible or the god of Mormonism. The vocabulary may be the same, but the deities are most certainly not!
     
  6. Aineo

    Aineo Active Member

    My nephew married a Mormon and is raising his children in the LDS cult. Paul had a reason for admonishing us to not be unequally yoked with non-believers as it is far easier to be pulled down than it is to lift up an unbelieving spouse.
     
  7. Steven509

    Steven509 New Member

    Well, there is no way i'm going to betray Christ knowing so, I just hope that there is some way it can work. I'm confused because I prayed for God to send me the right one for me, and now i'm seeing her, why would god do that? I'm hanging on to a string of hope that somehow we can get along, there HAS to be a way, and god knows that anything is possible.
    I have to find out if she believes in the Bible first, if she does, then that is a good start. If she were to fall in love with me, then there is a possiblility that she would open up just a little.. If I say, "Lets clear our heads and start from the beggining, the Bible, and see where we go".

    We have so much in common it aint even funny, but then it has to be this way! lol
    Thx for replying to my question guys.
     
  8. newseed

    newseed New Member

    Can you be certain that God has brought her to you? If so, then you would have never posted your questions on this forum. But since you have posted here, you need to pay attentions to all the red flags that most lovebirds tends to ignore.

    I prayed for a wife 17 years ago. A few months later, she shows up. We clicked perfectly. Shortly after getting married, all hell broke lose. So what happened? I put my faith in God to deliver a wife but as soon as she showed up, I started putting my faith in her and my own decisions and assumed that God has delivered her to me.

    My point? Keep your faith in God that he knows best. Just because this girl is in your life does not mean she is the one. Putting all your hopes into her could possibly set you up for failure. By trusting God, you will never go wrong.

    Pay attention to the red flags. Keep communicating with God.
     
  9. tuppence

    tuppence New Member

    Steven, I have a 32 year old son who also wants a wife. He is one of the finest men I know, actually (no prejudice here...LOL). Several years ago he was totally in love with a young woman but some of those 'red flags' kept appearing and she ended up deciding she did not want to be serious with him and she broke up with him. He was really brokenhearted at the time. He looks back now and thanks God they did not end up together as he has seen what has happened to her since.

    Be content in the situation God has put you in. You are single right now. There is a reason for that. When YOU are ready to be married (despite how you may currently feel about yourself, God knows better), then the right girl will come along.

    Do NOT marry a Mormon. Even if she were to convert, the pull from her family to go back or be disinherited by them would tear her, and most likely your marriage, apart. You cannot rescue her. If she, at some point in her life, decides to follow the truth about Jesus and convert to true Christianity, God will have the people around her to help support and sustain her through an incredibly difficult time. I don't think you have any idea of the hold the LDS church has on its members and their families.

    You do not want to get involved. Be friends. Talk to her about the Jesus of the Bible. But stay WELL away emotionally. You have no idea of the pain you will find yourself immersed in if you get involved.

    Paul warns us most strongly against light having anything to do in partnership with darkness. Believe him.
     
  10. tuppence

    tuppence New Member

    she did not want to be serious with her

    with HIM! The board would not let me edit the post and I apologize for the mistake!
     
  11. Aineo

    Aineo Active Member

    I fixed it for you.
     
  12. John 10:10

    John 10:10 New Member

    Tuppence is totally right about this one aspect of marraige: We do not just marry a wife, we marry into a family!!!

    It's difficult enough when different races marry. It's even more difficult when those of different religious beliefs marry. The different families will pull at their respective children until one or the other surrenders. Then they are left with just the victorious family. Sometimes they isolate themselves from both families and try to make it on their own. Some families even kill their children when they marry outside their faith.

    God's desire is for man and woman to be ONE in marriage and with HIM - spiritually, physically, emotionally, and intellectually. I do not speak for other faiths, but this is possible when Christians marry Christians.
     
  13. Asalvatori

    Asalvatori New Member

    I have been studying the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints for a while. They believe god was an exlated man, god is not a trinity but three separate personages (D&C 130:22) Celesital Marriage (D&C 7) The true church was restored by Joseph Smith He went to the grove and he saw a plilar of light above the brightness of the sun which gradually fell upon me
    then i saw two personages whose brightness and glory defy all description one of the spake unto me calling me by my name-this is my beloved son hear him!
     
  14. Asalvatori

    Asalvatori New Member

    ou hear the knock at your door - and there they are. Two young men with well pressed black shirts, smiles, and a free copy of The Book of Mormon. After a brief introduction they will tell you about Joseph Smith. Joseph, they will say, translated the Book of Mormon, thus confirming his authority from God as the new Prophet on the Earth in these Latter Days. They will tell you that the Holy Ghost will, in fact, confirm its truth by producing good feelings in you. Next will come the invitation to "Read the Book of Mormon, pray, and ask God to show you it is true...."

    Before you fall to your knees, there are some things you need to know that they are not telling you (and won't unless you ask). The first is that LDS doctrine, the things that they believe that seperate them from historical Christianity, are not found in the Book of Mormon! There is really very little in that book that is (doctrinally) disagreeable to orthodox Christians. The real meat of Mormonism is found in their other scriptures, The Doctrine and Covenants and The Pearl of Great Price. These they are not handing out at every door! And for good reason - if you knew what you were really being asked to believe, you may not be quite so willing to put aside your skepticism.

    The second thing you may not realize is that to accept the Book of Mormon, you are in fact accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet. Later this will mean believing some outrageous doctrine, doctrine that he did not come up with until later in his life after the Book of Mormon was already published (hence some of the 1,000's of changes that occured in this english document in the first decade!). So what about this test? Isn't it legitimate to give this question up to God? No, it isn't.

    "I was answered that I must join none of them (the churches), for they are all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an aBook of Mormonination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt;"
    -Joseph Smith History 1:1

    How do we know?

    God has already revealed His test for would-be Prophets - and it has nothing to do with prayer or feelings.

    There is no need to pray about what God has already said. I do not have to ask God whether or not I should rob a bank or murder someone! James 1:5 says "If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God...and it will be given to him." Wisdom is applied knowledge, not lack of it. I do not know how nuclear fission works, but that does not make me unwise. Someone who does know how it works would have knowledge, but not necessarily wisdom - how to use that knowledge. Praying about the Book of Mormon is a gross misinterpretation of this verse. God never tells us to pray about what is true. What is God's test for truth? Acts 17:11 describes a group of people who were considered more noble than others because when Paul (who wrote most of the letters of the New Testament) came to them with the Christian message they "received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily, to see whether these things were so." God does not change. Neither does His truth. When we want to know how tall a wall is, we don't pray about it...we get something that we know is true (a ruler) and compare it to the wall. The Bible, God's word, is true. That is our measuring stick for truth.

    Feelings are easy to produce. Psychological persuasion techniques, intensity, eye contact, or mere desire can produce feelings that feel real - because they are real! But real feelings are still just letting us know how we are reacting to something, not the truthfulness of that thing.

    What are the tests for a prophet?
    They are in God's Word:

    Deuteronomy 18:21-22 says, "You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?" If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." Did Joseph Smith ever claim "in the name of the LORD" that something would happen when it did not? Yes. (see The Mormon Prophet).

    Deuteronomy 13:1-3 says, "If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul." Did Joseph Smith lead his followers to other gods? Yes. (see Mormon Gods).

    Galatians 1:6-7 says that people may be "turning to a different gospel-- which is really no gospel at all . . . trying to pervert the gospel of Christ." And he pronounced a curse upon them for doing so. In Romans 1:16 Paul tells us that the gospel is "the power of God unto salvation" - that's pretty important. Did Joseph Smith teach a "different Gospel"? Yes
     
  15. matt12

    matt12 New Member

    Have visited many morman churches, and in some more believers there have recieved the Holy Spirit than in traditional/catholic or protestent churches. Sure they have an extra book, but other churches are decieved totally with misinterpretation of the Bible.
     
  16. Aineo

    Aineo Active Member

    Mormons totally misinterpret and misrepresent the Bible. As to Mormons receiving the Holy Spirit, Satan is a great impersonator.
     

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