A CHANGE OF NAME (a deeper life message)

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  1. strongmeat

    strongmeat New Member

    Grace and peace from the Lord Jesus Christ to all. The following message is another which I wrote and trust that it will edify you and bring you closer to the Lord.

    Yours in Christ,


    ( A message from the word of God by brother Tarran Dookie)


    Gen.12: 1-3 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

    Gen.16: 16 And Abram was fourscore and six years old, when Hagar bare Ishmael to Abram.

    Gen.17: 1-5 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

    According to Josh.24: 2-3 God took Abram (descended from Shem) out of Ur of the Chaldees (belonging to Ham). He was delivered from serving other gods to serve the true and living God. He told Abram that He would make of him a great nation and that in him all families of the earth would be blessed. God intended for this to happen through Isaac. However, Abram begat Ishmael when he was 86 years old and a period of void occurs during the next thirteen years of his life. Nothing is heard of Abram during this time. These are the years during which Ishmael, Hagar's son, was growing up.

    But according to the richness of His grace God appears to Abram again when he was 99 years old. He instructs him to walk before Him and be perfect. Brothers and sisters, God will restore the wasted years if we hearken unto Him and change our ways. Abram fell on his face and God makes His covenant with him. He also changes his name from Abram (a high or exalted father) to Abraham (a father of a multitude or nations). The son of promise was born to Abraham one year later when he was 100 years old. God wants to make us an instrument of greater blessing but we must walk before Him and be perfect.

    Gen.17: 15-16 And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be. And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations: kings of people shall be of her.

    Not only did God change Abram's name to Abraham but He changed his wife's name from Sarai (my princess) to Sarah (princess). No longer was she to be a princess to Abraham only but now she was also to be a princess to the elect for God was going to bless her with Isaac. She who was barren was to become a mother of nations, and Christ the son of David, the Anointed of God, would be of her. You too may be barren. But God is able to make you fruitful and make you a blessing. Let us yield ourselves to Him that we may bear much fruit.


    Gen.25: 24-26 And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb. And the first came out red, all over an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau. And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.

    Gen.27: 34-36 And when Esau heard the words of his father, he cried with a great and exceeding bitter cry, and said unto his father, Bless me, even me also, O my father. And he said, Thy brother came with subtilty, and hath taken away thy blessing. And he said, Is not he rightly named Jacob: for he hath supplanted me these two times: he took away my birthright; and, behold, now he hath taken away my blessing. And he said, Hast thou not reserved a blessing for me?

    Gen.32: 24-32 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. And as he passed over Penuel the sun rose upon him, and he halted upon his thigh. Therefore the children of Israel eat not of the sinew which shrank, which is upon the hollow of the thigh, unto this day: because he touched the hollow of Jacob's thigh in the sinew that shrank.

    Jacob was a man of subtilty. He enticed Esau to give up his birthright. He cheated Esau of the blessing of Isaac, their father. But he who supplanted was himself supplanted. At the hands of Laban, his father-in-law, he suffered and learnt to cast himself upon God. When he departed from Laban's house and had to pass through Edom he humbled himself before Esau and was reconciled to him. He lost Rachel his wife on the way to Canaan. God arranged all these circumstances so that this man who was to be the father of the tribes of Israel would experience brokenness. When he wrestled with the angel of God until the break of day he was wounded in the hollow of his thigh. It was on that occasion that his name was changed from Jacob (he who supplants) to Israel (he will be a prince with God).

    God wants to bless you and me that we may prevail and be triumphant. But He wants to break us that He may use us. He will have to change our character that we may become lamb-like. We must surrender to His chastening. As Jacob halted upon his thigh we too would not be the same again when God touches us and removes the dross from our lives.


    Mk.3: 16-17 And Simon he surnamed Peter; And James the son of Zebedee, and John the brother of James; and he surnamed them Boanerges, which is, The sons of thunder.

    The Lord Jesus gave new names to the three disciples who witnessed the transfiguration and were with Him in the garden of Gethsemane. Simon was given the name Peter which means a rock or stone. He was also called Cephas which has a similar meaning. The church is founded upon the Rock which is Jesus Christ. Peter was a foundational member of the early church. He was the main spokesman on the day of Pentecost when the Spirit was poured out. Jesus commanded him to feed the sheep though he was sifted like wheat by Satan. God wants rock-like characters to establish and strengthen His people. May He find in us suitable stones for the building up of His temple.

    James and John were called the sons of thunder. They were zealous for the Lord and suffered as a result. James was martyred (Acts 12:1-2) and John was exiled to the isle of Patmos for the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ (Rev.1: 9). The sound of thunder cannot be hid. May our zeal and faith be like the sound of thunder that all may see and hear that God may be glorified.


    Acts 13:9 Then, Saul, (who also is called Paul,)...

    The name Saul means 'asked for'. Saul, the first king of Israel, had to be sought and asked for when Samuel presented him as king before Israel. It was said that there was none like him in all Israel and that he was taller than all the people. Before Paul became an apostle he was known as Saul. Like king Saul he too was a Benjaminite. He was a tall one in the eyes of the Pharisees. He learnt at the feet of Gamaliel. He was renowned for persecuting the church. But God called him and changed him. The Holy Spirit asked for Saul to be separated unto the work (Acts 13:1-2). He became an apostle. Thereafter Saul is referred to as Paul. In all his epistles he calls himself Paul. Paul means 'small or little'. The 'asked for' becomes the 'little'. He yields to God and counts all the former things as dung (Phil.3:4-8). He decreases that Christ may increase. May we be little in our own eyes, not minding high things, not thinking of ourselves more highly than we ought to think.


    Rev.2: 17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

    God is looking for overcomers in the body of Christ. He will give us a new name. The name will be personal for no man will know it but he that receives it. The new name will reflect our character, our substance, what we have supplied to the body of Christ, the depth of our spiritual walk. He wants to change you, to have you conformed to the image of His Son. May we allow the Holy Spirit to have His way in our lives. May we be overcomers that one day we will receive that new name unto the glory and praise of God.

    Believers in Christ Jesus may freely copy, use and distribute this message. Under no circumstances must this message be sold. Freely ye have received, freely give.
  2. we

    we New Member

    Hi Strongmeat

    Hello Strongmeat

    I think you would be interested in these Scriptures

    Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

    Mal 1:3 And I [the Lord] hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

    Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

    Hbr 11:12 Therefore sprang there even of one [from Sarah], and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable. {{{son of perdition made up of many members

    1Cr 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

    Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

    Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

    Ishmael did not come from Sarah. Esua did.

    And as the son of perdition ALWAYS persecutes the Son of God - even so it is now. {This understanding will explain ALOT about Cain and Abel and the world they lived in

    Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

    That new name is in the hidden manna [hidden in the Scriptures]

    Isa 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

    He gave it - in the New Testament

    The Revealer will reveal it to you

    Mat 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

    We are not aloud to reveal it - because we're not worthy - but I am aloud to share the Scriptures that will lead you to it
  3. strongmeat

    strongmeat New Member

    hello we,

    Indeed the son of perdition does persecute the Son of God. However, your post is apt to confuse readers. It really has nothing to do with the main theme of my message.

    I do not want a debate in this thread but you have botched up Heb.11:12 so badly that I must point it out. You quoted Heb.11:12 with some comments as follows:'Hbr 11:12 Therefore sprang there even of one [from Sarah], and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable. {{{son of perdition made up of many members '

    If you read from verses 8 through to 12 you will observe the writer is speaking of the faith of Abraham. Verse 11 refers to Sarah but verse 12 reverts back to Abraham. Him good as dead is not Sarah but Abraham. Why are you attempting to make him to be her. Let us read Gen.15:4-6 'And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.' How did you come to the conclusion that Abraham's seed is the son of perdition?

    At the end of your post you waxed mystical (or perhaps what you would like to think is mystical). The hidden name is not in the hidden manna; it is in the white stone. Read the verse again. What is this mumbo jumbo about not being allowed to reveal?

    Listen my friend. I put out this message for the refreshing of the saints and I believe it is doing just that. Your post is a distraction. In brotherly love, I appeal to you to kindly remove it from this thread and I will remove this reply.

    You can always open a fresh thread and make your point, which is way off from the intention of my message. Change of name is about God changing us to better serve Him.

    Yours in Christ,

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