Quran and Bible debateVerse 5:116 :: MuhammadMuhammad
Aineo Wrote:
Why did Utham order the documents he used to compile the official Qur'an destroyed?
Farid Wrote:
Uthman (r.a) returned the document he used to compile the official Quran, he only destroyed the other versions of the Quran that didnt match the original Quran, which was authorised by Muhammad(pbuh), the other versions were there because some of them had also heard Muhammad(pbuh) revelation, but not all of them and they were not authorised, hence they were destroyed by their permission.
Aineo Wrote:
Where is your evidence that the Jews changed the OT?
Farid Wrote:
"And it came to pass, when moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses commanded the Levites(Jews), which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death? Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them. For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt [yourselves], and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands."
(Deuteronomy 31:25-29)
"How can you say we (the Jews) are wise and the law of the Lord is with us, when in fact the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie?"
Jeremiah 8:8 (Revised Standard Version)
"And because of their (the Jews) breaking their covenant, We have cursed them and made hard their hearts. They change words from their places and have abandoned a good part of the message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them. But forgive them and overlook (their misdeed). Verily! Allah loves the kindly."
(The noble Qur'an, Al-Maidah(5):13.)
"O Messenger!(Muhammad) Do not be grieved by those who vie with one another in the race to disbelief, of such as say with their mouths: "We believe" but their hearts believe not, and of the Jews: of them are those who listen eagerly to lies -listener to others who have not come to you. They change the words from their places; they say: If you are given this then take it, but if you are not given this then beware! He whom Allah dooms unto sin, you (by your efforts) will avail him naught against Allah. Those are they for whom the will of Allah is that He cleanse not their hearts; for them there is a disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a great torment."
(The noble Qur'an, Al-Maidah(5):41.)
http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/libr ... ch2.3.html
Aineo Wrote:
Rowland gave a great response to your "pegs" and mountains preventing shaking on this thread:
Farid Wrote:
1.Rowland wrote that the mountains are like pegs, which supporte the Quran, 2. second he wrote that mountains pegs dont prevent earth from shaking. 3. third he wrote that we think that mountains are firmly fixed.
1. Mountains are like pegs, Rowland agrees with me on that.
2. Rowland wrote that mountains dont prevent earth from shaking, but in Quran it is not very clear as to what the mountains prevent from shaking.
The Scientific Fact:
In former times, mountains were known as simply rocky blocks protruding from the earth. This definition was considered valid until 1835, when Pierre Bouguer pointed out that the gravitational forces registered in the Andes Mountains are considerably less than what would be expected for such a massive rocky block. Supposedly, for him, a massive block of the same kind must be immersed deep in the earth. It was on this basis that the abnormality of gravity was to be interpreted.
In the middle of the 19th century, George Everest paid great attention to the abnormality of the results of measuring the gravity of the Himalaya Mountains in two different places. Everest, nevertheless, failed to interpret this phenomenon and so he called it The Mystery of India. However, George Airy stated in 1865 that all mountain chains on earth are floating blocks on a sea of magma (i.e. molten rock material beneath the earth’s crust) and that all such molten material is denser than the mountains themselves. As a result, the mountains must dive into this high density material to maintain their uprightness.
Geologists discovered the fact that the earth’s crust is made of adjacent patches called continental plates and that mighty mountains float on a sea of molten material and higher-density rocks below the surface. They also discovered that mountains have roots that help them float and keep fastened to the plates of the earth so it will not shake. In 1948, the Geologist Van Anglin stated in his book Geomorphology (on page no. 27) that it is quite well understood currently that there is a root for each mountain below the crust of the earth.
The function of mountains on the earth is to fasten the crust of the earth. This fact was proven by the principle of hydrostatic balance of the earth as illustrated by the US Geologist Dutton, in 1889. He stated that the protrusions of the earth are immersed into the earth in a way that conforms to their height. Moreover, after the existence of the plates of the earth was proven in 1969, it became clear that the mountains are responsible for maintaining the equilibrium of all the plates.
http://www.nooran.org/en/Q/3.htm
3. Rowland thinks that we think that the mountains are firmly fixed, but that is not true. the reason he thinks that is because he hasnt read every verse about mountains in the Quran, this verse will show that we dont think mountains are firmly fixed:
"Thou seest the mountains and thinkest them firmly fixed: but they shall pass away as the clouds pass away: (such is) the artistry of God, who disposes of all things in perfect order: for he is well acquainted with all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 27:88)"
thank you.
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