Quran and Bible debateVerse 5:116 :: MuhammadMuhammad
No, I do not believe in an eternal hell where the "souls" of men are tormented throughout eternity. This concept comes from the same Greco/Roman culture you accuse Christians of following with the concept of the Son of God, which makes your argument concerning the Son of God hypocritical.
"And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." (Rev. 14:11)
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. (Rev. 20:10)
"These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." (Mt. 25:46)
http://bible.cc/matthew/25-46.htm
You keep making claims concerning the Bible being changed, however you have yet to post when, how, who, where, and why. In other words you have yet to furnish any proof other than the Qur'an, which we can prove was plagiarized from the Bible, Greek philosophy, apocryphal Christian literature, and the Gnostic Gospels with a dash of Arab paganism thrown in.
What is common between Islam and other religions are your proof that the Quran is plagiarised,if that is so,then the NT having anonymous authors is more than enough proof that the whole NT is not the words of Jesus(pbuh), and there is no original copy of the New Testament available, Jewish Christians who were called Nazerenes, used the "Gospel of Hebrews" probably written by Matthew. Anyone who was from this territory who desired to read the texts were supposed to make a copy of it by themselves letter by letter or have someone else do it for them. Many of the notes and comments of the text that was being copied from would be written in the main body of the new manuscripts, thus changing the whole wording. to fit their need they would sometimes leave out complete passages.
this kept going until the original manuscripts were completely lost or destroyed, the "Jewish Christians" were good at preserving their traditions and sacred texts, and had great motivation to preserve it, but when the other groups who became the dominant and orthodox changed the Bible to make it more urbanised and Romanised. they were not very fond of the so called "Jewish Christians" and their original text and practices, they tried to discredit the "Jewish Christians" and made a law for their destruction in the fourth century. The Nag Hammadi Library, may have been hidden because of the persecution they were undergoing in the fourth century.
The manuscripts that survived such as the Nag Hammadi Library are not accurate copies of the original copies, it is copies of copies of original.
http://essenes.net/gop31nt.htm
Prof. Eberhard Nestle, an expert in original evangelical texts, comments on this situation in his Einf~hrung in die Textkritik des griechischen Testaments:
"Learned men, so called Correctors were, following the church meeting at Nicea 325 AD, selected by the church authorities to scrutinize the sacred texts and rewrite them in order to correct their meaning in accordance with the views which the church had just sanctioned."
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The Danish professor of religious history, Detlef Nielsen, says further:
"We have to handle many, partly contradictory texts which were written in the time period of 50 - 150 AD. In the New Testament were no less than four evangelical texts included. One tried to bring about some kind of unity which was presented as an unadulterated, true narrative of the life and teachings of Jesus, complementing each other, and which together -- though apparently unsimilar -- formed the only true evangelical text. In order to bring the various passages in harmony of each other, they were subjected to a thorough revision. As a first measure one rewrote the evangelical handwritten manuscripts, disregarding parts which did not conform, and wrote comments to make them compatible with each other. One then took to the clerical art of interpretation in order to explain the contents in such a way that
a unified evangelical text could be created."
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One of the oldest evangelical texts is Mark, written by the interpreter of Peter in Rome. Papias is communicating this in his epistle to the presbyter, Johannes:
"Mark, the interpreter of Peter, recorded with great energy, if not with great accuracy, everything that he could remember had been told about Jesus. He himself had never seen the Master. He was just the interpreter of Peter, and could only retell what he had heard at various instances; not always had he got everything well explained to him and commented. One should therefore not reproach Mark ..."
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Edgar Hennecke says:
"It is known that the wording of the Greek texts, which we use as a base, originate from the 5th century"
In Luke 23:53, it is written that Yeshu (Jesus) was placed in a tomb "where no-one had ever yet been laid". As a possible defense against an accusation of someone stealing the body, scribes seem to have added the words "and he rolled a great stone before the door of the tomb". The Codex Bezae was even altered to add "and having placed him there he positioned before the tomb a stone that scarcely twenty people could roll."
Luke 24:12 reads: "But Peter, rising up, ran to the tomb; and stooping down he saw the linen cloths alone, and he returned home marveling at what had happened.". This was just after Luke writes that the disciples did not believe the women, whose words seemed nonsense to them. This verse is missing from Codex Bezae and some Old Latin manuscripts. The text varies in other manuscripts. One wonders why this verse would be dropped from Codex Bezae by a scribe, especially given the reluctance of scribes to delete anything from the text? There are far more insertions than deletions, especially in the Codex Bezae, which is notorious for adding material, not subtracting it.
It is agreed among scholars that whenever Bezae and the Old Latin manuscripts agree, that reading must date back to at least the second century, if not earlier. Also, readings from Codex Bezae are found very early. Polycarp's letter to the Phillipians (AD 110) quotes the version of Acts 2:24 found in Codex Bezae.
Luke 24:12 was probably added by a scribe in the second century so as to make the Roman version of a resurrection more believable? If it was not added, then some scribes must have consciously chosen to delete it, which seems unreasonable.
The verse is very similar to Peter's rushing to the tomb in John 20:3-10. The word for the linen cloths in Luke 24:12 (othonia) is not the word that Luke has just used in Luke 23:53 (sindoni), but it is the word used in John 20:5.
This one verse, Luke 24:12, has 3 words or phrases used nowhere else in Luke or Acts. It also uses an "present tense" instead of his normal past tense used int he rest of the manuscript. Of the 93 historic presents in the Markan verses that Luke used, no less than 92 were changed by him to past tenses. This seems indicative of a pericope addition for it is missing from other important manuscripts, it has many non-Lukan features, but features which resemble John's Gospel.
Codex Bezae and many Old Latin texts do not include Luke 24:40 - "having said this, he showed them his hands and feet". Either some scribe added this verse, or some scribe dropped it. It is hard to see why any scribe would drop the verse. It is easy to see why a scribe would add the verse, basing it on John 20:20.
In Luke 24:3,Codex Bezae and most of the Old Latin texts do not have the phrase "the Lord Jesus" in "they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus." Clearly, the phrase "the Lord Jesus" was added by a scribe to make sure that the Gospels recorded that the women went to the right tomb. The phrase only occurs in this verse and in another apparent addition - Mark 16:19.
In Luke 24:6,Codex Bezae and most of the Old Latin texts do not have the phrase "He is not here, but has been raised". Apparently this phrase was another addition by a scribe to reinforce the physical resurrection theme.
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Site a geological site that backs up your peg theory.
http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-b.htm
this is not a geologiccal site, but they base their sources from the book "Earth" which is used in universities all around the world.
Figure 7: Mountains have deep roots under the surface of the ground. (Earth, Press and Siever, p. 413.)
Figure 8: Schematic section. The mountains, like pegs, have deep roots embedded in the ground. (Anatomy of the Earth, Cailleux, p. 220.)
Figure 9: Another illustration shows how the mountains are peg-like in shape, due to their deep roots. (Earth Science, Tarbuck and Lutgens, p. 158.)
thank you.
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