Quran and Bible debateVerse 5:116 :: MuhammadMuhammad Yes I do believe that was the reason they died, but they didnt die without warning. It does not matter to me if a hellenistic Jew was the first person to propose this, how do you know he wasnt lying? so are you saying that if something is the truth, but it has already been proposed by someone else, then you shouldnt tell the truth. you are going only one way with this situation, just because a man already proposed this idea doesnt mean that the Quran is plagiarising, it could also mean that the Quran is confirming it, it could go both ways. I mean if you rely so much on what people used to do and say, then you shouldnt even believe that Jesus(Pbuh) was the son of God, because the Romans used to call some the son of God, and used to deify the dead. in one of the dead sea scrolls, there is a title, the son of God, but it is talking about someone else, so it was common back then to give this title to people, but it wasnt to be taken literally. Not all of them was common knowledge back then, as I have showed you in earlier posts, some of the verses were completely unknown at that time. If a Muslim nation follows the Quran and Hadith making sure that they dont transgress then yes they are an Islamic nation, but if they dont then they are not. I cant call them unbelievers though. there is a big border between this kind of lying and the everyday lying, there is a thin border between lying permitted in the Hadiths, so that is why you should be careful not to cross the line. I dont see anything wrong with lying to save your life, I mean if you deny a prophet with your lips doesnt mean you will be denying him with your heart either, and the heart is what God looks at. in a Bible verse Jesus(pbuh) said that men look at the outside of people but God looks at the inside(intentions, faith). Even one of the disciples lied when it became necessary to saving his life, it was peter, when he denied Jesus(pbuh) but he didnt deny him with his heart, Jesus(Pbuh) would not have built his church upon the rock(peter) if peter was going to become a sinner. You are taking everything word for word, of course its not all going to be the same, things might be described different in Bible and different in Quran, but sometimes they are both talking about the same thing, but some times they are not, and in that case, I believe the Quran, because it is the restoration of earlier scriptures, what you rely on is your choice. thank you. |
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