Trinity DebateJesus as the embodied pre-existent SonJohn was sent in the sense that he had a divine mission. Jesus was sent in this way too, I'm not saying that you're wrong in that sense. However, Jesus was also sent literally. No where does John or any other prophet speak of times when he was in the glory of God before he came here. Jesus is set aside from the other prophets, so says Hebrew 1:1. We need to treat Jesus differently than other people in the Bible. He's just a different case altogether. Jesus is described in ways that no mortal human could or ever had been described as. An evil spirit was allowed to do something by God. God doesn't actually send evil forces. There are angels of death, however. Revelations 21:6 I (am) the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give a gift from the spring of life-giving water. Who gives the life giving water? Jesus Christ! He refers to Himself as the Alpha and Omega. What Jesus is descibed as at times seems to indicate that He's more than a human being. Jesus as a man is only a part of Christ's life. You seem to want to fully emphasize Jesus as a human and that's it. He had a prior existence. Hebews 1:8 seems to describe the Son as God, directly. Hebrews 2:17-18 tells us that on coming to earth as a hauman, Jesus experiences what life was like from our perspective, including suffering and being tested by being exposed to the temptations of our world. I'm really trying to prove that Jesus is a preexistent being, because that goes aloing very well with Jesus existing as part of the Trinity. This part of the conversation I think is further supported in the above part where I mention Rev 21:6. Jesus just IS. He is, was, and ever will be. What was Jesus's spiritual kingdom that He spoke of? Sounds very much like this verse goes along with John 17:5 and Hebrews 1:1-5. had to almost recapitulate what I said before not to be a parrot but because it is very important and very clear, and I just don't feel like you're being clear about the particular verse. Romans 9:23-34, I believe, means that God made us that we may glorify Him. I don't interpret that passage as telling us our glory was with him from the beginning. Jesus tells us something very clear and I just don't think you're understanding it. Jesus speaks of attaining a glorified state He had already existed in. How could He have existed in a state of being if he was not. To say the very least, Jesus as a preexistent being should be picked up very easily. Even JW's believe Jesus preexisted, but as the Michael the Archangel...which is a mystery to me. Also to say the very least, Jesus appears to be much more than a human being like you and I. I brought up something interesting that came to mind, and even highlighted it in blue. I would value your opinion of it. I'll recapitulate it for you. The events of Christ's life and His sacrifice for us were revealed in prophecies. All that happened was God's plan. Events and happenings were in God's mind. His Son fulfilled them because the Father AND the Son loved us. Jesus couldn't have genuinely loved us if Jesus himself was merely an idea in God's mind. |
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