Trinity DebateBefore Abraham Was,I AMYou never answered my questions or directly handled my points. This further fortifies my position Your site says nothing of the different places in scripture where the Son is personified, or where it's stated Jesus "emptied" Himself, as if He were a preexistent heavenly King, and took the likeness of a man. The first chapter of Hebrews shows that the Son is very much a person, not some ideal. Check that thread of mine you locked away somewhere. God declares that He alone is the "King". The Son is also called the "King". Then you shouldn't avoid answering questions and points I bring up. That verse you alluded to youshould research more. So why didn't Jesus condemn Thomas's proclamation of Him as Lord and God? It looks like a prophecy to me, because "Lord and God" is used a few times in the Pslams. Jesus said He had to fulfill what was in Psalms. I've been commenting on it. You need to read people's threads. We trust that by now the reader knows that Jesus did not pre-exist his birth and that he was not with God in Genesis 1:1. No, because the Bible shows that the preexistent Son was an actual person. Maybe you can provide how the Son isn't a preexistent being after reading these verses: John 3:12-13;31 If I tell you about earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you about heavenly things? No one has gone up to heaven except the one who has come down from heaven, the Son of Man. The one who comes from above is above all. The one who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of earthly things. But the one who comes from heaven (is above all). John 5:21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives life, so also does the Son give life to whomever he wishes. Hebrews 1:1-3 In times past, God spoke in partial and various ways to our ancestors through the prophets; in these last days, he spoke to us through a son, whom he made heir of all things and through whom he created the universe, who is the refulgence of his glory, the very imprint of his being, and who sustains all things by his mighty word. When he had accomplished purification from sins, he took his seat at the right hand of the Majesty on high, Clearly Jesus was a preexistent person to have came down from Heaven and to have knowledge of Heavenly things. There are more examples, Aineo. Jesus is a person and speaks of His preeexistent self many times. The Transfiguration in fact shows Jesus transfiguring into his former prexistent glory. In Hebrews, "he" is definitely not an it. This is taking about the prexistent Jesus. Some things you'be got to accept. Phillipians 2:6 Jesus "emptied" Himself of his preexistent glory and took the likeness of a man. His adopted a human nature, but He already had a nature. What are you going to say now? You and your site pick a few verses here and there, and from it derive an entire doctrine. You can't pull water from rocks. John 1:1 only says that Jesus is the Word, implying all that Jesus said was the exact Word of God because He was God. Every word that comes from my mouth is the word of Believer because that's what I am. Acts 2:23 This man, delivered up by the set plan and foreknowledge of God, you killed, using lawless men to crucify him. This verse just doesn't say anything about the preexistent Son, only that God has a plan and it was completed. You can't sqeeze blood from a turnip. It's interesting to note that you wanted me to read your site, but when I gave you a site that explains the Trinity you didn't read it and said it was the ramblings of men. I read your site and I say it's the rambings of men, but I wasn't afraid to read it. One thing about myself is that I know what I believe is true and I don't hide or avoid things, what we Christians believe about Jesus is so ingrained in scripture. you'd have to not want to believe that Jesus is a preexistent being and is God. you know, at least the Arians and the other heresies believed Jesus was a preexistent being. |
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