Trinity DebateIs the Holy Spirit the 3rd person of the Trinity?Mary ascending isn't' a Gnostic belief. What strikes me as influenced by Greek platonists and Gnostics is the Gospel of John. It was also written much later than the other Gospels. With your line of thinking, it would seen contradictory to accept John as scripture. Paul, also being a Greek, could have had Hellenistic influences too. We could go on. Numbers 11:25 Then the LORD came down in the cloud and spoke with him, and he took of the Spirit that was on him and put the Spirit on the seventy elders. When the Spirit rested on them, they prophesied, but they did not do so again. Zechariah 4:6 So he said to me, "This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel: 'Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,' says the LORD Almighty. Zechariah 7:12 They made their hearts as hard as flint and would not listen to the law or to the words that the LORD Almighty had sent by his Spirit through the earlier prophets. So the LORD Almighty was very angry. The other examples that I gave are sufficient and satisfying for me and many other Christians. Why these aren't acceptable for you is a mystery. Why you want to reject Matthew 28:19 shows you don't want to believe in the Trinity. What external force would want to sow such discord and heresy? There's no reason why the Trinity should be done away with. The evidences are there. So to say I have a total lack of biblical evidence is a total lie. I thought you believed Jesus was God, but I guess this argument isn't just about the Holy Spirit, huh? Because the Son has evidences in the OT and NT also. The Trinitarian belief isn't some pagan influence, that's nonsense and buying into the whole pagan mystery cults thing will have you saying the whole Christian faith is composed of pagan influences, soon enough! The dying and ressurecting God is a commom mystery cult theme, doesn that mean we're all pagans? Jesus forgave people's sins. Only God Himself can forgive sins. remember that verse? The Jews wanted to kill Jesus over and over again because of His blasphemous claims to be God. Although He may not have said it specifically that he was God, he inferred it many times and would never say that he wasn't God. You'd think if everyone though you were God incarnate, that you'd be like "Hell no!" The argument you're presenting here just isn't self-sustaining. Good verse. Muslims presented me with these arguments a few years ago on this site, it's so odd they must exist between us. Okay, Jesus is God AS a Son of Man. Jesus isn't a son of Adam like us. That's why He had a virgin birth. Such is the way for God to enter this world. Jesus, although we was fully human and referred to in places as a man, he was also fully divine. The divine nature accounting for many things about Him. He wasn't a liar or neeeding to repent because he isn't a son of Adam. He is the Son of God. I'd rather believe in God and who God is than to make conclusions that nobody else here is buying into, and thinking I had some great epiphany. |
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