MuhammedAli wrote:AnweringIslam team
, complete poops!
So According to the context of the verse Deut 18:18 the phrase "among their brethren" is reffering to the tewelve tribes of Israel, or thats what the idea. Basicly the answeringislam teams says prophet "like unto MOses thee" has to be from the bani Israel and not bani Ishmael. Lets take this has a accurate understanding of the passage (I have a alternative explanation). So does this prove that Jesus is the intended prophet, no ofcourse not. Has i already stated in my refutation of answering Islam team:
It seems that, either the answering-islam team is ignorant of the fact that the in semetic tradition the child takes the name of the father and also nationality of the Father. Forexample a mix marriage between a white and a Arab the Child will take the fathers nationality and not mothers,
since Jesus did not have a Jewish father therefore he is excluded from being the tribe of Israel.
Second Moses was not from the tribe of Israel
he died in the wilderness before the Jews reached to the promised land, therefore MOses does not become a Jew, cause he never was a Jew. Even if he was a Israelite that still does not prove Jesus was Israelite cause he didnt have a Father who belonged to the tribe of Israel.
Second contention that Muhammed i not from the Bani Israel, ofcourse he is not, but father of the Arab nation was from Bani Israel, and Muhammed (pbuh) is the Grandson (not literally) of Ishmael.
Let me give you a example, from the recent events of history. MUslims of India wanted a independant country where they could pracctice freely their religion without the interference of Hindu's under whom the Muslims where restricted to practice their religion. Partician took place and Muslims got Pakistan. NOw people call them selves Pakistanis, but not has indians. Pakistanis are indians blood tie with the Indians weather they like it or not, applying a different label does not mean that you can deny the reality, and the reality for Ishmael is that he is blood-Israel and the label Arab that has been given to him does not mean a thing.
De 23:7
Thou shalt not abhor an Edomite (Edom was son of Ishmael); for he is thy brother:
thou shalt not abhor an Egyptian; because thou wast a stranger in his land.
And we are told in the book of Numbers Chapter twenty verse Fourteen that Moses sent messenger to a king in Edom reffering to himself has brother of the king of Edom:
And Moses sent messengers from Kadesh unto the king of Edom, Thus saith thy brother Israel, Thou knowest all the travail that hath befallen us.
"Thus saith thy brother Israel"(Moses) saying that I am your brother Israel, meaning you are a son of Ishmael, and I am son of Isaac and we are brothers. He remminds him of the calamities that had befallen him and his people, and asking him that grant him the permission to go though his kingdom to the bani Israel can reach their destination.
It has been proven that the Bani Ishmael are the are part of Bani Israel. Never they where singled out from the rest of the tribes of Israel, they where included in the tribe of Israel, even Moses reffers to them has brother.
Now to the refutation section of the paper by answeringislam. I will analyze the meaning of the word "Brethren" and how it is used in the Bible under different meanings, and then we will analyze the context of verse Deut 18:18.
The Hebrew word "Ach" (brother) pronounced "awkh" (Arabic: "Awkhi") can have various meanings:
- brother
- brother of same parents
- half-brother (same father)
- relative, kinship, same tribe each to the other (reciprocal relationship)
- (fig.) of resemblance
Mr Gilchrist has already conceeded that: "
Ishmael was Isaac's half-brother:
From the ABove meaning if we read the entire passage of th Deut 18:18 we can still establish that the Ishmaels children are included.
18. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their half-brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him
18. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their relativelike unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him
18. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him
18. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their tribe, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him
Jesus was not from the Tribe of Israel, therefore he can not be the brethren of the bani Israel (including Ishmaels decendants).
Conclution the only person who fullfilled the prophesy of 18:18 is Muhammed (pbuh). And this prophecy in no way can be app;lied to Jesus, or it is fullfilled by Jesus, simply he fails the very basic criteria from being bani Israel, nor any part of the prophecy can be convincingly applied to Jesus. The evidence given clearly proves that there is only one candidate who is strong in his claim of "prophet like Moses" is Muhammed (pbuh), and there is no one else that fulfills this prophecy, if Muhammed (pbuh) didnt fullfil it (but it has been prove that he did), Jesus cant claim to fullfill this prophecy if he waits two thousand year more.
The context of the chapter 18 chages five times from verse one till it reaches to verse 18, the only context that is worthy of consideration is from verse 15-22, and has a result we can get a open interpation of these verses.
PRove that Jesus can not be the prophet intended by this prophecy, its Muhammed (pbuh).
May Allah guide you to the truth.
Ali