fdjohan wrote: There is no evidence that your so-called “prophet” wrote this sura.
None.
That's correct Apple Pie, it is confirmed by AL-Qur'an
The Koran mentions absolutely nothing regarding your “prophet” writing sura 103….or any other of the 114 suras that constitute your book of faith.
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YUSUFALI:
And thou wast not (able) to recite a Book before this (Book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: In that case, indeed, would the talkers of vanities have doubted.
PICKTHAL:
And thou (O Muhammad) wast not a reader of any scripture before it, nor didst thou write it with thy right hand, for then might those have doubted, who follow falsehood.
SHAKIR:
And you did not recite before it any book, nor did you transcribe one with your right hand, for then could those who say untrue things have doubted.
That was confirmed by Al-Qur'an.
But his sahaba wrote the words for him.
One of the famous secretary of him is Zaid Ibn Thabit.
Sorry to inform you…but your so called “prophet’s” name does not appear in this ayah.
Nor does it appear anywhere in this entire ayah!
Please tell us why sura 103 does not support your claims?
Did you actually think that “googling” the popular English renderings from a totally unrelated sura would somehow buttress your position?
It was recorded in Hadith of Bukhari:
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Volume 6, Book 61, Number 512:
Narrated Al-Bara:
There was revealed: 'Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and those who strive and fight in the Cause of Allah.' (4.95)
The Prophet said, "Call Zaid for me and let him bring the board, the inkpot and the scapula bone (or the scapula bone and the ink pot)."' Then he said, "Write: 'Not equal are those Believers who sit..", and at that time 'Amr bin Um Maktum, the blind man was sitting behind the Prophet . He said, "O Allah's Apostle! What is your order For me (as regards the above Verse) as I am a blind man?" So, instead of the above Verse, the following Verse was revealed:
'Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame etc.) and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah.' (4.95)
Prophet(saw) did not write the messages by him self but order his sahaba to write them under his own supervision.
Now….since you realize that your book of faith does not support your claim; you are off to “googling” extra-Koranic material to help-out what your book of faith cannot support on its own…?
You can do better than this.
Regarding surah 103, it war recorded by Ibn Katsir:
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They have mentioned that `Amr bin Al-`As went to visit Musaylimah Al-Kadhdhab after the Messenger of Allah was commissioned (as a Prophet) and before `Amr had accepted Islam. Upon his arrival, Musaylimah said to him, "What has been revealed to your friend (Muhammad ) during this time'' `Amr said, "A short and concise Surah has been revealed to him.'' Musaylimah then said, "What is it'' `Amr replied;
[وَالْعَصْرِ - إِنَّ الإِنسَـنَ لَفِى خُسْرٍ - إِلاَّ الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ وَعَمِلُواْ الصَّـلِحَـتِ وَتَوَاصَوْاْ بِالْحَقِّ وَتَوَاصَوْاْ بِالصَّبْرِ ]
(By Al-`Asr. Verily, man is in loss. Except those who believe and do righteous deeds, and recommend one another to the truth, and recommend one another to patience.)
So a sahaba of the Prophet(saw) gave his witness that this surah formed at the time Prophet(saw) still alive.
Again, you've been refuted.
Where is the statement….”I muhammad, wrote sura 103”….?
Let’s give you some leeway….how about finding…”I muhommad dictated this here sura”…
Can you even so much as locate that to help-out your case?
No.
You can’t even find his name in your book of faith…let alone that he actually wrote or even dictated it to someone else.
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The main message of Surah 103 is "DON"T MESS WITH TIME"
for this verse, Ibn Katsir commented:
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Al-`Asr is the time in which the movements of the Children of Adam occur, whether good or evil. Malik narrated from Zayd bin Aslam that he said, "It is the evening.'' However, the first view is the popular opinion. Thus, Allah swears by this, that man is in Khusr, which means in loss and destruction.
Too bad he fails to show his work…
No references shown whatsoever….just like you…
No, you fail to translate a verse. Why, because there are no PROVES that your scholar E.W. Lane understand Al-Qur'an.
Go ahead and “googled” what you can regarding Lane.
Or….continue to look the other way.
We will be waiting…
My scholar Ibn Katsir is an expert in Al-Qur'an. that's the difference.
If this is so…then why is he afraid (like you) to show his work?
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AUTHOR BIO: EDWARD WILLIAM LANE (1801–1875) was a distinguished English scholar of the Arab world who made voyages up the Nile in 1826 and 1827. Fascinated by Egyptian lives and customs, he traveled to Egypt frequently and lived in Cairo from 1833 to 1835, where he studied and adopted Egyptian dress. The author of several other works, Lane is best known for his translation of Arabian Nights (1832-41).
He is good in Arabic lexicon, but that's nothing to do with Al-Qur'an. We doubt about his knowledge about Al-Qur'an.
LOL…
This is the “worst” that you have been able to “google”?
Come on.
Let me teach you what we call "QUR'AN's OATHS"
These are "Qur'an's oaths)
Example:
[91] By the Soul, and the proportion and order given to it;
[92] By the Night as it conceals (the light);
[92] By the Day as it appears in glory;
[92] By (the mystery of) the creation of male and female;-
[93] By the Glorious Morning Light,
[93] And by the Night when it is still,-
[95] By the Fig and the Olive,
[100] By the (Steeds) that run, with panting (breath),
Many of the early Qur'anic surahs contain oaths (ALLAH swear by His own Creations), typical of which are the oaths sworn by the sun and the moon, day and night, and light and darkness.
Again…
Where is your god mentioned anywhere in your examples….?
Here is a hint.
Zero.
The first verse of surah 103, is one of ALLAH's oath. He swears by his own creation--TIME.
You would first have to demonstrate that 103.1 is in reference to your god.
You have failed to do this.
Thus, you cannot attribute anything to something that is not there in the first place.
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• 103.1 begins with “waal” which can be taken as a swearing by a thing
ok
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• The juxtaposed “al” informs us that “it is also used to indicate something which has already been mentioned or a concept of which is in the mind of the writer or reader”
So,
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• Further, “al” has the signification of “anything which has a quality requiring it to be regarded as sacred, or inviolable; which has some right pertaining to it”
• Hence the material in this sura is not only very important, and sacred, but it relates to something that is already known
• 103.1 elaborates on what is already known and sacred, by affixing the noun “asri”, which tells us of a certain time “during which peoples pass away and become extinct”
Thanks for acknowledging the authority of our references and exegesis…
I don't find any problem with that.
As if you could…
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• The root “asara” is defined as “he pressed grapes”
Why do we have to talk about the root “he pressed grapes” if we are talking about TIME?
Do you even understand what a root is…?
Apparently you don’t.
I understand. What is the value of talking about it when it is nothing related to the message of the verse? Not to mention the word "“he pressed grapes” nothing to do with the 2nd verse you translated.
You always consider the root origin of the words in question, as this is the entire basis for the word in question.
Did not your “scholar Ibn Katsir” teach you this….?
Here come the tafsir of Apple Pie about suran 103 verse 2.
For verse 1, A misterious man picked Revelation 14:12-20 and put it in Al-Qur'an
For verse 2, That misterious man step back to verse 14:8-11
I just wonder why that misterious man not start from 14:8-11 and then 14:12-20 . hmmm... how weird
Since the Koran already tells us that it merely copies the Holy Bible, what exactly would you expect from a second-hand Koranic copy of the original, anyway….?
You must reference the Holy Bible at all times, in order to correct and clarify the Koran on all manner of topics.
After a long journey of exegesis, Apple Pie translated:
103.2 Certainly the human is in punishment for sin.
Is that the real message of surah 103:2?
Then What's that verse got to do with :
8 A second angel followed and said, "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great, which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries."
9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand,
10 he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.
11 And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name."
12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.
How come those 5 verses squeezed into one short verse:
103.2 Certainly the human is in punishment for sin.
Can you tell me what is the relation of surah 1 and 2 Apple Pie?
103.1 And/by the time during which peoples pass away and become extinct.
103.2 Certainly the human is in punishment for sin.
Sure thing.
First of all they are called ayahs…not suras.
Here is exactly how they relate…
• 103.1 begins with “waal” which can be taken as a swearing by a thing
• The juxtaposed “al” informs us that “it is also used to indicate something which has already been mentioned or a concept of which is in the mind of the writer or reader”
• Further, “al” has the signification of “anything which has a quality requiring it to be regarded as sacred, or inviolable; which has some right pertaining to it”
• Hence the material in this sura is not only very important, and sacred, but it relates to something that is already known
• 103.1 elaborates on what is already known and sacred, by affixing the noun “asri”, which tells us of a certain time “during which peoples pass away and become extinct”
• The root “asara” is defined as “he pressed grapes”
• Further, the root “asara” has the definition of “he took, or collected, the produce of the earth”
• Surveying all five Koranic usages of the root derivatives, shows a couple more instances where grapes are being placed into a winepress
• Thus, it is clear that 103.1 is referencing the time when the unbelievers will be cast into the winepress of God Almighty, just as stated in the Book of Revelation
• Further, Revelation tells us that it is Jesus Himself who treads God’s winepress – further exemplifying Jesus as God via deity interchangeability
• 103.2 links to 103.1 via the corroborative particle “inna”, or certainly
• What is certain is in relation to “al-insana”, or mankind, and is equated to the winepress of God (i.e. Jesus), as described in 103.1
• Mankind is used in conjunction with the genitive “fee”
• 103.2 utilizes the word “khusrin”, which is best described as “punishment for sin”, and is the possession of the “fee” of “al-insana”
• This “punishment for sin” is the “torment” as described in the Book of Revelation
• Observe that this punishment involves fire and brimstone, lasts forever, and takes place in the presence of the Lamb(i.e. Jesus)
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Summary of 103.2:
• Revelation, from the same chapter fourteen, describes the fall of Babylon (i.e. the city of man)
• This fall of mankind is due to “the wine of the anger of her fornication she made all nations to drink”
• Revelation also warns against worshiping the beast and its image which will result in “basanizo”, or torment
• 103.2 links to 103.1 via the corroborative particle “inna”, or certainly
• What is certain is in relation to “al-insana”, or mankind, and is equated to the winepress of God (i.e. Jesus), as described in 103.1
Wrong. God in Al-Qur'an is clearly ALLAH.
Then please tell us why you cannot locate his name in this sura?
You already showed us your ignorance when you could not produce
his “name” in sura 62…but instead were shown the name of a pagan Arab idol.
How did that happen…?
Jesus as Son of God is rejected
Sura 4 rebukes you…
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• Mankind is used in conjunction with the genitive “fee”
• 103.2 utilizes the word “khusrin”, which is best described as “punishment for sin”, and is the possession of the “fee” of “al-insana”
How do you judge BEST and NOT BEST?
How come you judge BEST when you know the first verse is clear talking about ASHR.
The word "LOSS" can be the best because it connected to TIME.
Show us the reasoning behind your unreferenced and “ungoogled” opinion.
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• This “punishment for sin” is the “torment” as described in the Book of Revelation
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Let's see your exegesis for verse 3. I wanna see if this one is related to it.
No problem.