Free For all - Open Discussions and DebatesI am confusedit's fascinating. everything you say is wrong. first question is, what do you consider "religious faith"? how do you define that term? secondly is the fact that most of the beneficial scientific discoveries have come from Bible believing Christians, so your claims can hardly be validated. thirdly is the silliest thing you've said, that "religious faith usurps the capacity for genuine rational reasoning", when in fact it's the only position that gives this posibility. how do you define rational thinking coming from an irrational, or a-rational first cause? did you not see the quotes i gave from Chesterton and Lewis??? and as C.S. Lewis says in another way, thoughts can only be reduced to the accidental movements of atoms in one's brain, and therefore only wind up being a description of the person, like the color of a person's hair, and as Chesterton says "having no more validity than the sound of the wind blowing through the trees". the only way to have rational thinking in the effect, is to have rational consistency in the first cause, which naturalism does not. the very fact that you're able to ask such questions and raise such objections demonstrates that what we're saying is true, and what you're saying is false. the reason this is so is because you're able to use free will in asking your questions and objections. but in a purely naturalistic universe, your brain and the atoms in it would operate by the FIXED laws of chemistry, therefore giving you no free will, only what nature allows, not what you yourself are able to produce willfully. your thinking betrays you. meaning? what meaning is there in a huge accident? even Neitzche was more realistic than you, and ultimately realized that nihilism and despair were the only option. he realized that this universe (if accidental because there was no God) would be meaningless and everything is pointless. he understood that without a point of reference there is no meaning, no good or bad, no right or wrong, no moral or immoral, no up or down. nothing. read Nietzche's "The Madman", and you'll see clearly where your thinking ultimately leads. wow. thank you very much. should we be pleased that you're telling us that we're "strong-minded" fools? all you're saying is that we're stupid and blind, but that we're "commendably" committed to it. what a compliment. you patronize us. it's alright though. Thomas Chandler Haliburton’s comment may be applicable here. He said, "When a man is wrong and won’t admit it, he always gets angry." |
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