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fdjohan wrote:
1.What is your oppinion about Satan's handy work? pls tell me. ---no answer.
The reason I didn't answer this was because I figured that it was obvious what Satan's handy work was. But if it is so important to you then ok. To make this short and simple. Satan feels that he can do things better then God. Satan wishes to convince everyone that his (Satan) way is right, and God's way is wrong. Satan wants to be God of the universe. From Adam to Jesus, Satan was always questioning the will of God.
fdjohan wrote:
2 Again, another task for you. Mention to me the teaching in Islam about this blowing thing.----no response.
3can you show me the (teaching of beheaded) verses in Al-Qur'an about what you're sayin?----where is the answer?
I already gave you my answer to this. People will follow what they believe to be the right way of their religion. The suicide bombers, and the ones that did the beheadings, all claim to...
1. Be followers of Allah
2. Be Muslims that are following Islam
3. Followers of the Qu'ran.
Now there are always those that claim to follow certain religions, but really don't. You know what... had someone asked me about those who claim to be christians (the ones going around blowing up abortion clinics), I would of had no problem saying they were not real followers of Christ. I asked you very plainly if those suicide bombers/beheaders were real Muslims and followers of Allah, and you wouldn't answer me with a simple yes or no. The actions of those people are not the actions of good. Those actions are evil. If I was in Iraq and was captured by those people, they would no doubt chop my head off because in their eyes I'm not a follower of Islam. I think your delay in answering my question shows what Islam is really about.
fdjohan wrote:
ligh7 wrote:fdjohan wrote:What if I say Satan himself came in the form of Gabriel and teach Mary the wrong thing because the there is no such SON OF GOD teaching in the laws of the PROPHETS. Why not?
So please answer what I am asking about.
Why would Satan come in the form of Gabriel announcing that Jesus was the Son of God, then a few chapters later in St. Luke chapter 4, Satan is questioning Jesus on if he really was the "Son of God". That theory makes no sense at all. If God is not Jesus father, then who do you say his father is? I don't believe that God had sex with Mary to concieve Jesus. I believe as it is written. The Holy Spirit created the miracle inside Mary's womb. Jesus was not created in the same way as Adam was (from the earth ). Jesus conception was unique, and one of a kind. This is why he is called the "only begotten Son of God" in St.John 3:16. For no other was conceived in like manner.
Let's not talk about the existece of the Father, Jesus conception etc yet.
It will take days to talk about it.
You use contradictive statement between Satan and Angel Gabriel as you argument. That's interesting. Now, I send you other contradictive thing.
Why would Satan come in the form of Gabriel and revealed the verse like this?
The Noble Qur'an - Faatir 35:6
Surely, Shaitân (Satan) is an enemy to you, so take (treat) him as an enemy. He only invites his Hizb (followers) that they may become the dwellers of the blazing Fire.
Satan taught the Phrophet (saw) to make SATAN as the no.1 ENEMY of MUSLIMS. Satan needs followers. But, in that verse, the followers of Satan will be come the dwellers of the blazing Fire. That theory makes no sense at all.
The Noble Qur'an - Az-Zukhruf 43:62
It is only Shaitân (Satan) that suggests to you the fear of his Auliyâ' [supporters and friends (polytheists, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh and in His Messenger, Muhammad )], so fear them not, but fear Me, if you are (true) believers.
Satan taught Muslims not to fear with satan?
The Noble Qur'an - An-Nahl 16:98
So when you want to recite the Qur'ân, seek refuge with Allâh from Shaitân (Satan), the outcast (the cursed one).
Satan claim him self as the outcast (the cursed one). Then, how satan get the followers?
these are just 3 of the verses. More will come inshaALLAH if you want. I need your response.
Isaiah 7:13-15
[13] And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?
[14] Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
[15] Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
For those that think "virgin" means young woman, all I have to say is this.. How is a young woman having a baby a sign from God? This happens everyday. That is no big deal. But a virgin concieving a child is a miracle, and a true sign from The Most High God!
St. Matthew 1:20-23
[20] But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
[21] And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
[22] Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
[23] Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Isaiah 9:6-7
[6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
[7] Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
I don't think this those verses related to what we're discussing about. You are explaing about virgin etc. We are discussing about "proves" about the real Gabriel.
I posted those verses from the Old testament to show that the "Son of God" was predicted beforehand. The angel Gabriel of the New Testament was only announcing what had already been fortold in the Old Testament. Islam teaches that Jesus is not the "Son of God". Satan tries to deny who Jesus really is, the same way that Muslims do.
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