Muslim & Christian Discussion ForumPlease try and convince me otherwise. :: Re: replyRe: reply conspiracy theories, the genuine trademark of a real muslim... always shouting little proving. Where is your Jesus? other then the head of a 7th century wandering merchant?
I don't think ANY christian today vouches for the above mentioned atrocities. When will you stop vouching for the persecutions and wars muhammed and the four holy caliphates did? Tell me this, would Muhammed have done the Caliphate Crusades? Would Muhammed have raided caravans? Would Muhammed have molested a 9 year old girl? Would muhammed have killed apostates? Would muhammed have invaded Mecca and slayed hundreds of women and children? in retrospect with the atrocities you mentioned... our prophet and examples isn't guilty of any of them. So all those mentioned you answered yourself allready with your sarcasm... no Jesus wouldn't do that. If you lived in muhammed's times, would you give your daugther to a fifty tree year old man to sexualy gratify him? merely because he claims he is a prophet? again conspiracy theories, who's behind it now? the jews? the satanic empire the US? you do know that the middle east and muslim africa are the worst unhumane countries to live in? according to UNICEF, Amnesty International, and most of the humanitairian groups who make yearly reports of them, etc... out of the 32 major world conflicts 28 of them are muslim related. and the muslims have quarrels with every non-muslim country that borders them... The Hindu's don't like the muslims because their countless of wars and mass raping of their women, The African christians don't like muslims for similar reasons, The Greeks don't like the Turkish, The Parsis blaim the muslims for persecuting their religion to extinction, The Buddhists blaim the muslims for destroying their ancient temples, and even their own muslims flee to all countries all over the world because they themselves are being persecuted by their own communities. Genesis 16:12 "And he (Ishmael) will be a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be against everyone, And everyone's hand will be against him; And he will live to the east of all his brothers." What did they ever do for us?? i'd rather praise the US who is the most charity giving country in the world (even to it's enemies)... yet a muslim rather demonizes that country as evil, and just like you tries to glorify their own unworthy position instead. If you look at the charity donations by the richest muslim country in the world (Saudie Arabia) you will see that the only donations they give is to other muslim countries. Muslims only care about muslims, the life of a infidel isn't worth half of that. Well liberal muslims are seen as apostates by orthodox muslims... you're in contradiction of the quran. As nice as the actions of your community may be, they are not islamic but christian (probably due to the influence of living in a christian society, you get the same values) if you had a community in saudi arabia, you'd only be helping muslims, and you'd think of those who spend well earned money on infidels as apostates. Now since your actions are christian... keep in mind that such organisations and charities have excisted hundreds of years before liberal western muslims started copying this. And the original is always better then the wannabe. (not that i do not appreciate you're efforts, only your intention of trying to justify your position with such unislamic actions) Yeah, all nice, but did you hear those other muslims in the middle east, calling upon the death of all infidels? you are just christianized muslims, they live in the very root of islam, it's very culture and society. Yet converts and second generation muslims overseas are gonna explain islam to orthodox muslims... how ironic. Did you see the children cheering and dancing in the palestian streets when three thousands of innocent people died for nothing? Can you see how muslims yell "Allah Akhbar" when they decapitate innocent citizens? Can you see the ethnic hatred and jealosy when six nations declare war on a little spot in the desert, merely for not being muslims? can you not see? is this a game to you? yeah, that's what neo-nazis also use when talking about Hitler. - he gave us the volkswagen! - he gave us social accomodations at work just like the propaganda of that time (we ow it to the führer) you come with the same propaganda of muhammed's time (we ow it to muhammed) who said they were barbaric? muhammed was a pagan too you know... he must have buried girls alive as well then. And why did he copy pagan rituals and believes in his new monotheistic version? if that paganism was so bad for the people? As far as i read about them the pagan arabs were far more peacefull then the muslims. Yet just like in any war, the victor is always right. and worshipping their desires?? that's hilarious... islam is the ultimate worship of desire... men can enslave the women they marry, when they die they get 70 virgins and rivers of wine to drink and swim in, men can marry four women, it allows the use of force to satisfy your vengeance and the kingdom of islam must be persued trough force on this earth instead of the next. plus the muslims of those days were promised alot of booty for making war... so don't tell me they were in it for spiritual salvation.
what miracle? it's a book! (and not even a very good one either) that's just what you want to here from your mullah's, of what i've heard the remaining possy of muhammed, starting quarrling about who'd be in charge of the empire muhammed left behind... as well as many muslims going back to paganism when their dictator died (according to Ibn Ishaq). did muhammed compile and verify the quran? or did muslims compile and verify it who had no divine authority? Why was only Zaid's codex saved? and all the others sent to burn? scriptually the quran is a fluke. no it isn't, 'mind boggling' you should read more books if you think that. The quran's a unchronogolical repetitious war epic religionized.
Africans, Byzantese, Persians, Marrocans, Kurds were conquered and forced to convert by the first four holy calyphates. Islam conquered far and wide, brought wars to foreign countries instead of peace... India was as well persecuted and attacked many times by the first four caliphates, as well in the 11th century atrocity of the turkish and as well in the civil war of the 20th century wich eventually seperated india in half, leaving the muslim community (pakistan) independant. Islam tore a country apart instead of keeping it together. Indonesia is probably the only one that converted due too peacefull means, God knows how that happend... it just isn't islam style. Then again Indonesia was always a very superstitious country, so gullibellity gets punished by allowing islam to dominate it. Indian-Pakistan love only comes forth in the Bakhti and Sikh movement... those are religions wich sprung forward in the midst of civil wars between india and pakistan (just like today in Kashmir, and it's nuclear arms race). And these are religion that emphasize on goodness in actions and not on the literature or prophet you are following... yet these are seen as apostates by pakistani community of course, and are persecuted. you probably read all that in islamic history lessons. Care to back this up with independant historians? i very much doubt you'd be able too... it only shows how much respect islam has for truth. Then again you are allowed to lie, if it can advance islam.
Don't make me laugh, Islam had the greatest slave trading in history... they even went to Europe to buy their slaves in the middle ages. And sex slavery? my God! study your prophet for once! he took concubines and sex slave girls by the numbers. you forgot to tell about the thousands of enemies muhammed created when he became a dictator. The jews hated him, the christians hated him, the pagan arabs hated them, and many other tribal leaders hated him... i wonder if a man was so dearly loved, then why did they poison him? I even heard fairy tales who are more believable then this... it's getting hilarious now Mohammed was a dictator who asked entire communties what to think, what to say, when to sleep, what to eat, what to drink, when to comb your hair (yes read your hadiths), how to clean your behind!!, who to make friends with, who to make war with, etc... and all those who didn't walk the line, were punished.... this afwully sounds like dictatorship too me. |
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