Christian/Muslim ThreadsA Trinity Question :: Re: Than you LokiRe: Than you Loki
NOW AS FAR AS QUOTING MUHAMMED, YOU WILL FIND A LOT OF THINGS THAT WILL BE OFFENSIVE, EVEN TO MUSLIMS IF YOU QUOTE THE HADITH. I noticed that you didnt quote the Quran when it came to someone who leaves the Islamic religion, but you quoted the Hadith. YOU WILL BE SURPRISED TO KNOW THAT THE HADITH CONTRADICTS THE QURAN, IN FACT, THE QURAN ITS SELF SAYS THAT "THE QURAN IS THE BEST HADITH." FOR EXAMPLE. YOU REMEBER THE WOMAN FROM NIGERIA, THE ONE WHO WAS ACCUSED OF COMMITING ADULTRY AND WAS SENTENCED TO DEATH? THAT SENTENCE WAS MADE THROUGH A LAW IN THE HADITH. THE QURAN DOES NOT SAY THAT YOU CAN KILL SOMEONE FOR COMMITING ADULTRAY, INFACT, ONLY THE OLD TESTAMENT HAS THAT LAW IN THERE, AND I BELIEVE IT IS STONING SOMEONE TO DEATH. THE LAW FOR ADULTRY IS 100 LASHES. SO WHY WAS THAT WOMAN SENTENCED TO DEATH? IT COULDNT HAVE BEEN BECAUSE THE QURAN SAID SO, AND IF THE HADITH SAID IT IS OK, THAN THE HADITH CONTRADICTS THE QURAN IN THAT MATTER, AND IF IT CONTRADICTS THE QURAN, IT CANNOT BE A RELIGIOUSE LAW. NOW, AS FAR AS KILLING SOMEONE FOR LEAVING THE RELIGION, THAT IS NOT TRUE, AS THE CASE WITH ADULTRY, THE HADITH CONTRADICTS THE QURAN. YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, THE HADITH IS PEOPLE SAYING THAT THEY HEARD SOMEONE SAY THAT THE PROPHET SAID SOMETHING. THE HADITHS WERE WRITTEN 200 YEARS AFTER MUHAMMED DIED. SO CAN YOU HONESTLY TELL ME THAT PEOPLE REMEBERED WHAT THE PROPHET SAID WORD FOR WORD 200 YEARS AFTER HIS DEATH? ITS NOT POSSIBLE. THE RULES ARE CLEARLY STATED IN THE QURAN : "THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION." SO NO YOU CANT KILL SOMEONE FOR LEAVING YOUR RELIGION. AS FAR AS SURA 9:30 IS CONCERNED HERE IS THE TRANSLATION BEFORE AND AFTER THAT VERSE : [9] You shall fight back against those who do not believe in GOD, nor in the Last Day, nor do they prohibit what GOD and His messenger have prohibited, nor do they abide by the religion of truth - among those who received the scripture - until they pay the due tax, willingly or unwillingly. NOTICE THAT IT SAYS "FIGHT BACK," SO IT IS PERMITED IN SELF DEFFENCE. i DONT KNOW WHERE YOU GOT THE TRANSLATION FOR 9:30 BUT ITS WRONG, EVEN IN ARABIC, IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT KILLING IN THAT VERSE. IF YOU WANT TRASLATIONS OF THE QURAN GO TO SUBMISSION.ORG THEY HAVE EASY ENGLISH TRANSLATIONS [9] The Jews said, "Ezra is the son of GOD," while the Christians said, "Jesus is the son of GOD!" These are blasphemies uttered by their mouths. They thus match the blasphemies of those who have disbelieved in the past. GOD condemns them. They have surely deviated. LIKE I SAID I DONT KNOW WHERE YOU GOT 9:30 TRANSLATION FROM BECAUSE EVEN THE ARABIC VERSION, WHICH HAS EXISTED FOR 1400 YEARS THE SAME WAY DOSENT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT KILLING, SO SORRY BUT YOUR TRANSLATION IS WRONG. THIS PART ONLY TALKS ABOUT WHAT THE JEWS SAID AND WHAT THE CHRISTIANS SAID, AND THEY ARE WHAT THEY SAID, BECAUSE IT IS STILL WHAT BOTH BELIEVE TODAY [9] They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords, instead of GOD. Others deified the Messiah, son of Mary. They were all commanded to worship only one god. There is no god except He. Be He glorified, high above having any partners. JESUS DID SAY WORSHIP ONLY GOD (he never said worship me. if he is god he would have said "worship me") AND THE POPE IS SEEN AS CLOSER TO GOD THAN EVERYONE ELSE, AND THE RABBIES ARE SEEN AS CLOSER TO GOD THAN EVERYONE ELSE. THERE ARE DIFFERENT BOOKS BETTWEEN CATHOLICS, PROTISTANS, LUTHRINS AND WHAT NOT, THIS IS WHAT THIS VERSE IS STATING. RELIGIOUSE LEADERS, EVEN IN ISLAM, HAVE BECOME MORE IMPORTANT THAN WHAT THE BIBLE, OR THE TORAH, OR THE QURAN, HAVE TO SAY. ITS SIMPLY THE TRUTH. |
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