ArchivedOnce saved always saved?Fine. I don't know Greek. Thanks for the correction. Ah, but you have. The Scripture only says that if one continues in the Word, then one is a disciple (i.e. continuing in the Word is evidence that one is a disciple). What you are saying is that if one does not continue in the Word, then one is not a disciple. Your statement is the inversion of the original statement, and if you ask any logician, they will tell you that a statement and its inverse are not logical equivalents. Thus, for you to present an inverse of a Scriptural statement as just as much inspired as the original statement, you are adding something into the Word that was not there before. And I reply that apostacy is taking place in many churches today. Catholicism is a good example of that. You have no proof that Judas was ever saved. God chooses people for many different reason. But just because He chooses to use someone does not mean that they are saved. God chose to use Pharoah, but was he saved?
Where does it say that Hymenaeus and Alexander lost their salvation? I only see that they were turned over to Satan so that they would be taught not to blaspheme. This was done so that they could come to repentance. But according to your favorite verse over in Heb 6, if they lost their salvation, then there is no way they could ever come again to repentance. So the only way they could be taught not to blaspheme is if they were never saved in the first place, or if they were just backslidden and needed to repent of sins, not to become saved again. Again, you have no proof that Demas was ever saved to begin with, nor do you have any proof that, if he was saved, his choice to desert Paul caused him to lose his salvation. |
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