Liberate wrote:I have already had an extensive discussion with a muslim who was adamant that muslims were persecuted and killed in mecca regurgitating what he heard from his imams, you forget the quraish never shed blood in mecca, the worst that happened to the muslims was mockery at their new religion, I ask you what I asked that same muslim who couldn't provide any source, in fact the source he provided contradicted him which he embarassingly admitted to, show us where the muslims were persecuted and killed in mecca?
Sure, but first lets clear up the following first:
Liberate wrote:see H2O this is the noose around your neck, the hadiths will show you to be practicing al taqiya (deception) you cannot quote the hadiths that refer to the battle of badr other than to quote quranic ayats with no source whatsoever that this quranic ayats refer to the battle of badr?
You misunderstood me. I never meant it refered to the Battle of Badr. The Makkans sent their campaign against the Muslims at Medinah whom stoped them at Badr from entering the City of Medinah. The muslims acted according to that verse which was revealed after the Hijrah.
You do such a good job in quoting Ibn Kathir who quotes hadeeth on that verse. I am sure you looked it up in Tafseer Ibn Kathir. You couldnt use it against me, so now your playing dumb about that verse of when it was revealed.
The Command to fight Those Who fight Muslims and killing Them wherever They are found
Abu Ja`far Ar-Razi said that Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said that Abu Al-`Aliyah commented on what Allah said:
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(And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you,)
Abu Al-`Aliyah said, "This was the first Ayah about fighting that was revealed in Al-Madinah. Ever since it was revealed, Allah's Messenger used to fight only those who fought him and avoid non-combatants. Later, Surat Bara'ah (chapter 9 in the Qur'an) was revealed.'' `Abdur-Rahman bin Zayd bin Aslam said similarly, then he said that this was later abrogated by the Ayah:
http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=2&tid=4985
It was revealed in Medinah, and it was the first command to fight under certain conditions as described.
Now back to your first allegations :
[2] Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
[2] And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
[4]And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town , whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!
[22] To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged; and verily, Allah is Most Powerful for their aid;
[22] (They are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right, (for no cause) except that they say, "Our Lord is Allah." Did not Allah check one set of people by means of another there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of Allah is commemorated in abundant measure. Allah will certainly aid those who aid His (cause); for verily Allah is Full of Strength, Exalted in Might, (able to enforce His Will).
These verses make it clear the muslims where being persecuted and oppressed, and because of this they are granted permission to FIGHT their persecutors; but now your are crying for us to show you hadeeth in your wantoness to construe what happened back then. You sound like malicious Jew.
Sahih Al-Bukhari Volumn 006, Book 060, Hadith Number 173.
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Narated By Ibn 'Umar : That a man came to him (while two groups of Muslims were fighting) and said, "O Abu 'Abdur Rahman! Don't you hear what Allah has mentioned in His Book:
'And if two groups of believers fight against each other...' (49.9)
So what prevents you from fighting as Allah has mentioned in His Book?"' Ibn 'Umar said, "O son of my brother! I would rather be blamed for not fighting because of this Verse than to be blamed because of another Verse where Allah says:
'And whoever kills a believer intentionally..." (4.93) Then that man said, "Allah says: 'And fight them until there is no more afflictions and the religion (i.e. worship) will be all for Allah (Alone)" (8.39) Ibn 'Umar said, "We did this during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle when the number of Muslims was small, and a man was put to trial because of his religion, the pagans would either kill or chain him; but when the Muslims increased (and Islam spread), there was no persecution." When that man saw that Ibn 'Umar did not agree to his proposal, he said, "What is your opinion regarding 'Ali and 'Uthman?" Ibn 'Umar said, "What is my opinion regarding Ali and 'Uthman? As for 'Uthman, Allah forgave him and you disliked to forgive him, and Ali is the cousin and son-in-law of Allah's Apostle." Then he pointed out with his hand and said, "And that is his daughter's (house) which you can see."
Sahih Al-Bukhari Volumn 003, Book 037, Hadith Number 494.
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Narated By 'Aisha : (Wife of the Prophet) Since I reached the age when I could remember things, I have seen my parents worshipping according to the right faith of Islam. Not a single day passed but Allah's Apostle visited us both in the morning and in the evening. When the Muslims were persecuted, Abu Bakr set out for Ethiopia as an emigrant. When he reached a place called Bark-al-Ghimad, he met Ibn Ad-Daghna, the chief of the Qara tribe, who asked Abu Bakr, "Where are you going?" Abu Bakr said, "My people have turned me out of the country and I would like to tour the world and worship my Lord." Ibn Ad-Daghna said, "A man like you will not go out, nor will he be turned out as you help the poor earn their living, keep good relation with your Kith and kin, help the disabled (or the dependents), provide guests with food and shelter, and help people during their troubles. I am your protector. So, go back and worship your Lord at your home." Ibn Ad-Daghna went along with Abu Bakr and took him to the chiefs of Quraish saying to them, "A man like Abu Bakr will not go out, nor will he be turned out. Do you turn out a man who helps the poor earn their living, keeps good relations with Kith and kin, helps the disabled, provides guests with food and shelter, and helps the people during their troubles?"
So, Quraish allowed Ibn Ad-Daghna's guarantee of protection and told Abu- Bakr that he was secure, and said to Ibn Ad-Daghna, "Advise Abu Bakr to worship his Lord in his house and to pray and read what he liked and not to hurt us and not to do these things
The last Hadeeth you have repeatedly used over and over to degrade our prophet, but for some reason you went comatose of its other content.