Christian/Muslim ThreadsUnconditional LoveH2O wrote:Loki wrote:Qur’an 8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”
Next time quote our book in context :
Which context?
does not the koran exist before the foudnations of the world?, how can you apply context to a text which claims to have existed since the foundation of the world?
This is the problem with westernised islam, scream context to a book that has no context and would make complete mockery of it's text looking for context because you cannot apply context to something that has no chronological order and itself claims to have existed since the foundation of the world, this amongst many makes this religion a laughing stock, since H2O claims his mentor was from Al-azhar univeristy in Cairo which represents sunni islam that is 90% of islam, I do not need to tell H2O what al-azhar does to anybody who says the koran should be read in context, the last scholar who said that was delcared an apostate and stabbed, would H2O care to proclaim his views to the heart land of sunni islam that the koran should be read in context? I seriously doubt it
[39] And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevails justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.
[40] If they refuse, be sure that Allah is your Protector, the Best to protect and the Best to help.
[41] And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah, and to the Messenger, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer, if ye do believe in Allah and in the revelation We sent down to our Servant on the Day of Testing, the Day of the meeting of the two forces. For Allah hath power over all things. http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispT ... =eng&t=eng
You lack in understanding whom "them" is in verse 39 of its context which was revealed during the Battle of Badr which took place right out side the muslim city of Medina against the Pagan Makkans whom traveled over 30 miles just to kill the muslims. Not just do you lack in understand that verse you lack in understanding the historical context and meaning of the Quran alltogether and period.
H2O all anybody has to do is read about the battle of Badr from the hadiths and see that you are nothing but a bare faced liar, it is afterall the islamic mentality to not question, so when an imam tells westernised muslims that muslims were persecuted by the evil jews and pagans they swallow it without question, and then regurgitate this lie to ignorant westerners and folks who know no better, not one muslim has showed me anywhere where muslims were persecuted and killed, the battle of Badr occurred because Mohammed conducted 40+ raids on quraish businessmen without reply finally culminating in the death of a rich caravan merchant (ibn al-hadrami) during the scared month of rajab.
This is the reason for the Battle of Badr:
Mohammed - A highwar robber.
Reason of the Battle of Badr. (Highway robbery attack on Peaceful Meccan Caravan)
When a caravan belonging to Quraish had escaped an imminent military encounter with the Prophet [pbuh] and his men. When their return from Syria approached, the Prophet [pbuh] despatched Talhah bin ‘Ubaidull⨠and Sa‘id bin Zaid northward to scout around for any movements of this sort. The two scouts stayed at Al-Hawra’ for some days until Abu Sufyan, the leader of the caravan, passed by them. The two men hurried back to Madinah and reported to the Prophet [pbuh] their findings. Great wealth amounting to 50 thousand gold Dinars guarded by 40 men moving relatively close to Madinah constituted a tempting target for the Muslim military, and provided a potentially heavy economic, political and military strike that was bound to shake the entire structure of the Makkan polytheists.
The Prophet [pbuh] immediately exhorted the Muslims to rush out and waylay the caravan.
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Book ... tml#Reason of the Battle
According to ‘Ali b. Nasr b. ‘Ali and ‘Abd al-Warith b. ‘Abd al-Samad b. ‘Abd al-Warith- ‘Abd al-Samad b. ‘Abd al-Warith- his father- Aban al-‘Attar- Hisham b. ‘Urwah: ‘Urwah wrote to ‘Abd al-Malik b. Marwan as follows:
You have written to me asking about Abu Sufyan and the circumstances of his expedition. Abu Sufyan b. Harb came from Syria at the head of nearly seventy horsemen from all the clans of Quraysh. They had been trading in Syria and they all came together with their money and their merchandise. The Messenger of God and his companions were informed about them. This was after fighting had broken out between them and people had been killed, including Ibn al-Hadrami at Nakhlah, and some of Quraysh had been taken captive, including one of the sons of al-Mughirah and their mawla, Ibn Kaysan. Those responsible were ‘Abd Allah b. Jash and Waqid, the confederate of the Banu ‘Adi b. Ka‘b, together with other companions of the Messenger of God whom he had sent out with ‘Abd Allah b. Jash. This incident had provoked (a state of) war between the Messenger of God and Quraysh and was the beginning of the fighting in which they inflicted casualties upon one another; it took place before Abu Sufyan and his companions had set out for Syria.
Subsequently Abu Sufyan and the horsemen of Quraysh who were with him returned from Syria, following the coastal road. When the Messenger of God heard about them he called together his companions and told them of the wealth they had with them and the fewness of their numbers. The Muslims set out with no other object than Abu Sufyan and the horsemen with him. They did not think that these were anything but (easy) booty and did not suppose that there would be a great battle when they met them. It is concerning this that God revealed, "And ye longed that other than the armed one might be yours."
When Abu Sufyan heard that the companions of the messenger of God were on their way to intercept him, he sent to Quraysh (saying), "Muhammad and his companions are going to intercept your caravan, so protect your merchandise ..." (Ibid., pp. 28-29; bold emphasis ours)
Muhammad was a psychopathic criminal who made aggressive wars against innocents to further his imperialistic, hegemonic Islamic empire. He made people widows and orphans, took slaves, married and had sex with a child of 9. What do you call such a man? Sane, civilized people would not call him the "greatest man who ever lived"!
Great men don't validate wars in their so-called "holy" book. They don't have a whole chapter on war booty!
Islam is a fascistic death cult and the Qur'an is a War Manual that teaches Muslims to terrorize the world in the name of their so-called religion!
No so-called "holy" religion mandates the killing of those who leave that religion. That is the way of the mafia.
The 7th century Arab criminal, war monger, slaver, rapist, paedophile Muhammad was absolutely brilliant! Of course, many criminals are brilliant. Muhammad conceived of a way to conquer the world with disparate groups of peoples. He invented Islam—the fascistic 7th century death cult that works rather like the mafia.
Extracting jizya, protection money, from dhimmies. Getting the conquered peoples to work for indolent, nihilistic Muslims—now that is really genius!
" One for all and all for one," is the cry of the great ummah. You want to leave Islam, the "true believers" will KILL you. That keeps Muslims from straying.
Of course, the problem is that once the whole world has been conquered for Islam there won't be anyone to pay jizya or to work. So, that means everyone will have to live in the 7th century ignorant, backward and wretchedly poor like most Muslims still are today.
The reality is that Islam began to decline within 400 years of its inception. Muslims have accomplished virtually nothing for the last 1000 years because of Islam. The growing numbers of Islamic adherents are from the ranks of the world’s poor, disenfranchised and uneducated, those who have no place in the modern world. Most of the converts to Islam in the West are from among criminals in prisons. Islam suits the criminal mind.
We are here to make this world a better place. Every creature contributes to that charge—everyone except Muslims, who merely wait and consume in their nihilistic-indolism for the next "life"—while patently existing as parasites in this one. The "god" of Islam teaches to KILL and destroy, not to build and enjoy the gifts of this life.
Islam is the crucible of Islamofascist terror!
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