Homosexual Discussion ForumBisexualityDr. Bieber, the subject of the above-mentioned NARTH article, was a central figure in the debate leading up to the APA decision that homosexuality was only a pathology if it caused “distress and social disability.” Dr. Bieber, however, argued that that there were several other conditions in the DSM-II that did not fulfill this criterion, including voyeurism, fetishism, sexual sadism, and masochism. The article describes the reaction of the APA’s Dr. Robert Spitzer to this claim, saying, “these conditions should perhaps also be removed from the DSM-II — and that if the sadists and fetishists were to organize as did the gay activists, they, too, might find their conditions normalized.”
http://hcs.harvard.edu/~salient/issues/ ... inale.html
I doubt you will read this article but Dr. Satinover goes into more detail as to when the conspiracy by APA members to change the DSM started:
http://www.worldmag.com/subscriber/disp ... m?id=10331
Had you really done your homework you might have found this site useful in your futal attempt to dispute that gay activists were instrumental in changing the DSM III:
http://www.ralliance.org/TVC_APA.html
However, even this sites verifies that activists disrupted meetings of professional organizations. Anyone who took the time to read Bayer's book would know that the earliest protest took place in 1968, not in 1970 as claimed by the TVC. In 1968 a meeting of the AMA was leafleted on the occasion of a Socarides lecture. The leaflets demanded that viewpoints other than Socarides' be presented at the next meeting. A similar protest took place the same year at Columbia University College of Physicians and surgeons protesting a lecture by Lawrence Kolb. (Bayer, p. 92)
http://www.ralliance.org/TVC_APA.html
You posted this Fri Apr 29, 2005 09:41 am: You don't get it, don't you? The studies were old and faulty in that they don't differentiate homosexual behavior from homosexual attraction. How hard is it to understand that?!? One of Kinsey's criticism is the fact that he constantly associated homosexuality with homosexual acts when there are millions of heterosexual men and women that have had engaged homosexual acts in the past. Aineo, your ignorance is staggering.
However: Anyone who actually reads the Bayer book will know that the work of numerous individuals was reviewed by the APA. Charles Socarides and Irving Bieber presented their theories. The research studied by the APA included the work of Seymour Halleck, Dr. Wardell Pomeroy, Alfred Kinsey, Alan Bell, Evelyn Hooker, Charles Silverstein, Sigmund Freud, Ford and Beach, Judd Marmor, Richard Green, and Martin Hoffman.
http://www.ralliance.org/TVC_APA.html
The author of this Internet site states the APA used Kinsey’s studies to remove homosexuality as pathological from the DSM. In other words, lemmein you are impugning one the APA’s “experts” in sexuality.
There are other sources that report that gay activists were involved in the APA’s decision. Normalizing a Disorder
The organized homosexual lobby knows how to be tough. Toughness, and the threat of physical violence, was all it took to get the American Psychiatric Association to remove homosexuality from its list of sexual disorders. Throughout its history, this Association had diagnosed homosexuality as the aberrance that it is. The homosexual impulse was defined in medical circles as "an uncompleted gender identity seeking after its own sex to replace what was not fully developed." Medical journals were full of articles on the treatment of homosexuality.
http://www.issues-views.com/index.php/s ... ticle/2061
"That was a very exciting night. The only bad news was that the cops didn't do any exposing that time, so we were disappointed and we never got the picture." GAA also took a radical approach in opposing the American Psychiatric Association (APA) classification of homosexuality as a mental illness, a position finally abandoned in 1973. In its first activity after forming, GAA members teamed up with other gay activists for what Kameny calls an "invasion" of the APA's 1971 annual convention at Washington's Shoreham Hotel.
http://www.glaa.org/archive/2001/mw30ye ... 0412.shtml
Shall I continue?
BTW, I was very active in the Gay Liberation Front from 1971 to 1974 while living in Colorado Springs, which was responsible for disrupting the APA meeting in San Francisco in 1971, although I was not living in SF, and did not participate in the riots. You will find this organization mentioned in the Rainbow Alliance article.
You don’t know as much about the history of gay activism and what was done by gay activists in the early 70’s to even have an opinion, let alone insist you know the facts.
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