Aineo wrote:Civil disobedience is an effective tool for social change, but when civil disobedience is used to control a scientific discipline it is no longer a tool, it is a tactic of anarchy. In 1973 The American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality as a pathological disorder from the DSM III and inserted “ego dystonic homosexuality”, which was removed from the DSM III in 1987. The 1973 decision was made by APA’s Board of Trustees with the consent of 25% of the APA’s membership. What the APA will not tell you or admit is the primary reason this action was taken was due to gay activists disrupting APA meetings. These acts of civil disobedience coupled with the power of high-ranking gay psychiatrists were what motivated the APA to put politics above professional integrity and ethics. In 1977 when the journal, Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality conducted a survey of psychiatrist 69% disagreed with the APA decision.
So what we have is a professional organization controlled by anarchists, not real science.
If I could not substantiate the above I would be guilty of slander; however I can substantiate the above. These facts are documented in “Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth”, Jeffrey Satinover M.D. Barker Books and “Comprehensive Textbook of Psychiatry”, 4th ed. Eds. Kaplan & Sadock.
I can't believe this. After two pages on this same topic, you have YET to understand my position on the APA's decision. Read carefully, Aineo.
POLITICAL ACTIVISM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHETHER OR NOT HOMOSEXUALITY IS A DISORDER. Maybe if I write the text in capitals and bold, you will actually read it. You haven't produced any evidence to suggest homosexuality is other than a sexual orientation. Until then, your rant on gay activism means jack nothing.
Human sexuality is a complicated subject. Our society loves to label everything including people. However, human sexuality is fluid as has been shown by many studies. However, can sexuality be changed? The answer is yes. There is evidence of spontaneous change of sexuality:
We found no less than five papers that surveyed the general population and concluded that very many of those convinced they were homosexual, at some point changed their stance and became equally convinced they were heterosexual. The first is Kinsey (1948). He said he had encountered about 80 such people, equating to about 2% of his sample. They functioned to their own satisfaction in heterosexual contexts, but Kinsey doubted the change was complete because his method of detecting homosexuality greatly increased its apparent amount in subjects.
Bell and Weinberg (1978) likewise found 2% of the heterosexual population claimed they had once been homosexual.
These studies are old and faulty. They don't make the distinction between homosexual attraction and homosexual behavior. Men who have had engaged in homosexual activities are not necessarily homosexual. I don't know why ex-gay groups continually fail to differentiate the two. You say that sexuality is not as black and white as people make it out to be, yet you produce studies that fail to recognize the differences between attraction and behavior. The philosophical disjoint between your position and your sources are strangely puzzling.
Cameron et al. (1985) found an identical figure.
Laumann et al., in the landmark Chicago study (1994) found about half of those homosexually active as young adults were no longer active in later years.
Paul Cameron's work is discredited and full of nonsense. Everyone knows that.
Finally, Hart (1994), in a sexual survey of conservative Christians, included only a question as to present sexual orientation, not past, but remarkably, 1% spontaneously volunteered the information that at one time they had been homosexual but were now heterosexual. These surveys point to one conclusion: Change is possible. Interestingly none of them quote any of the others, and seem unaware of their similar findings. This independent replication is reassuring.
http://www.mygenes.co.nz/surveys.html
Ah yes, a sexual survey of
conservative Christians to get an 'accurate' response for sexual orientation change. Your sources and information are profoundly questionable. You've quoted from studies done 30 - 60 years ago that have little understanding on sexual orientation (such as the fact that homosexual behavior is different from attraction) and even used discredited work from people like Paul Cameron. I wonder if you are even being serious in producing credible evidence.
Those who advocate ex-gays are a minority of a minority are blinded by what they choose to believe. What the above studies demonstrate is the ex-gay population of 2% is almost as large a percentage as the GLBT population of about 3%. What this demonstrates is gay activists will go to any lengths to obfuscate the truth. This also demonstrates that arrogant sophomoric students would rather pick and choose who and what to believe than face the fact that a homosexual orientation during their teen years does not mean they will always be gay or even always want to be gay.
:roll: Number one, I'm not a sophomore. Number two, your sources of information are so questionable that anybody with enough academic experience will be profoundly skeptical. You produce articles that quote from old, flawed studies and even discredited work such as Paul Cameron, who's papers on homosexuality is just down right awful and laughably inaccurate.
A article from an ex-gay site with cross-references to Nicolosi himself... your record of using biased sources is getting bigger by the minute.
Stop throwing me pieces of garbage. That site not only used the same questionable studies you threw at me earlier such as Cameron and Kinsey but even equates pedophilia with homosexuality and uses articles from the incredibly right-wing Christian site, the 'Family Research Institute'. Come on, Aineo! Your sources are so pitiful!
The APA does not have a lock of what is and is not possible or even preferable in regards to human sexuality and by dictating what is acceptable therapy in all cases is dooming many teens and adults to lives of misery and is also contributing to gay teen suicides.
Who said they did? They removed homosexuality from their list of disorders since there is no evidence to suggest that homosexuality is a disorder and all you Christians have done is scream of gay activism and conspiracies.
The one method used in counseling homosexuals seeking change that is most discussed is reparative therapy. This is only one method available to counselors and is not the best method for all clients. An ethical psychiatrist or psychologist must put the client’s (patient’s) interests above his/her personal beliefs. Dr. Throckmorton has an excellent article concerning when reparative therapy should or should not be used.
What is reparative therapy
:roll: I know what reparative therapy is and there is little evidence for its success. For all I know, it can probably be very dangerous as seen by several reports of mentally ill and suicidal patients as a result of reparative therapy. When you have found a credible, minimally-flawed, study on the change of sexual orientation as described by the dictionary as one's sexual interest to a specific sex (that includes sexual attraction, not just behavior), that proves your assertion that sex change is possible for all homosexuals, then I'll believe you. Until then, stop throwing me garbage.