Christian/Muslim ThreadsBible Corruption and Who are the Real Authors?Abdullah wrote: Kai replies: When you talk about Gospel and its authorships you already reveal your ignorance. Actually there is no authorship on the first three Gospels (except John’s Gospel and we will get to that). You may say: what are you talking about? Well, to put it this way: the Gospel writers were not authors they were compilers, gathering the material of Jesus teaching and narratives in written form. Thus they wrote down what was already there, already perceived. Let me just illustrate this a bit further: The whole idea about Mark’s Gospel or Matthew’s Gospel or Luke’s Gospel is no more accurate than to say: the Koran according to so and so, such as: The Koran of Zaid ibn Thabit The Koran Abdullah ibn Mas'ud These individuals were known mainly as compilers, not authors (at least that is the claim, anyway): Zaid bin Thabit was told to compile the Koran after much of it had been lost: Notice also from the text of Bukhari that the Koran had never been compiled, even by Muhammad. In the same way as the Gospel writings had never been compiled or written down by Jesus or his followers within Jesus lifetime (some however suggest that Matthew was a Gospel written along side the life and ministry of Jesus; of course such a theory is possible, but not confirmed, at least yet, so we make no claim of it). While Muslims maintain that four-fold Gospels compilation present a problem, they seem to forget that there were a multiple number of Korans before the standard copy of Uthman (or Uthman’s Koran). One of these other Korans had been compiled by Abdullah ibn Mas'ud. As the early Muslims realised the problem of inconsistency in these Korans, Uthman the Caliph ordered all of them burned except the Zaid Ibn’s Koran. Even the Koran of Abdullah Ibn Mas’ud was ordered to be destroyed: Anyway here is a further Hadith on the particular occurrence in Islamic history: MY WHOLE POINT IS, IF THE GOSPELS OF THE BIBLE ARE CORRUPT, BECAUSE THEY WERE COMPILED BY THE FOLLOWERS OF JESUS, THE SAME CRITERIA MUST BE APPLIED TO THE KORAN! According to Sahih Bukhari, vol. 6, p.479 the Muslim scholars who sat down to recreate or rewrite the Koran had to follow Zaid ibn. In other words, the Koran we possess today is virtually depending upon the compilation of one man. Again the Koran was thereafter written into Quraishi dialect as it was revealed as such; do we not detect some problems here? Further, how can we be sure that these individuals did not add or manipulate the standard Koran. And Thirdly, how do we know whether any of this even took place, since Bukhari was written more than a hundred years after Muhammad’s death or so (Talk about evidences). AS A MATTER OF FACT IS SEEMS TO ME THAT MUSLIMS EXPECT US CHRISTIANS TO REJECT THE GOSPEL OF MARK, FOR THE KORAN OF ZAID IBN Nothing proves that the present Koran is the Koran of Allah, but the Koran of Zaid ibn, at least according to the Muslim criteria. Yet further the sources which provides the details about Zaid ibn are documented 100 to 200 years after the incident from mere hear-saying, and that is what Muslims tell us Christians to put our faith in. I simply don’t think so!!!!!!!!! This is indeed vital because Abdullah in copying from Osama Abdallah’s website considers the Gospels to be corrupted since they were not documented until 100-150 years after Jesus went to heaven. This whole idea about documentation even hundred years after is false, I will come back to that later. However if we are to follow Abdullah criteria, then Bukhari’s writings do not confirm the authorship of the Koran to be accurate, thus we have no evidence for Zaid ibn’s authorship and therefore the Koran is false. |
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