ArchivedIdolatry in Christianity :: Re: Idolatry in ChristianityEndurance wrote:JJM wrote:Endurance wrote:
The Catholics even bake those wicked cakes (see Ezek) on Easter in celebration of the Queen of Heaven that they try to turn Mary into.
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The Persecuted...
What are these wicked cakes? Seriously I have no idea what you are implying.
I know this isn't really the right thread but since it got brought up I'm goona explain why Mary is Queen of Heaven. In Jewish Kingdoms the Queen was not the Wife of the King because he often had many but the mother. Now if Jesus is both a king and Jewish and his mother is Mary then Mary is the Queen of all he is king of. Jesus is King of Heaven so Mary is queen. We are not equating her with a goddess we are simply pointing out that Jesus was a good Jewish man.
The cakes are called Hot Cross Cakes, they usually resemble an Ankh and are cooked during and sold during Easter festivities in Rome.
A Hot Cross Bun has a Cross on it not an Ankh. Ankhs are Egyptian Hot cross buns are Anglo Saxon. Originally they didn't have Crosses but when the clergy realized that people liked eating these cakes so you couldn't just get rid of them they put Crosses on them to symbolize Jesus so that people could keep eating a favorite dessert without worshiping a pagan Goddess.
Endurance wrote:
That second paragraph is pure speculation and is not appropriate for this discussion, because in trying to justify something, it requires factual comments. Now if we were just having a casual conversation or studying together, it would be fine. This title Queen of Heaven is completely unbiblical except for God condemning those who reverenced her.
Jeremiah 44:17 - But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.
Jeremiah 44:18 - But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.
Jeremiah 44:19 - And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?
Jeremiah 44:25 - Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows.
Doesn't seem like God views this Queen of heaven in the same way as the Russain you qouted. I hope your view is more like His than the latter. Any speech that attributes divinity or sinlessness of Mary, is unbiblical and a fabrication of some "intellilectual theology" that comes from pure speculation and not bible text... But the world hears its own.
With Love,
The Persecuted...
Ok I'd like to start by saying no one has ever claimed Mary divine. At least the Catholic Church never has.
More over it's not just speculation. The OT shows that the mother of a king is the queen to imply Jesus did not show his mother the same honor would imply he was a bad Jew. More so Revelation 12:1 And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. portrays Mary as crowned in Stars.
Also Many Pagan Gods are given the title King of Heaven Both Zeus and Cronos were. Mars Rigisamus was the Celtic God of War. He is known as the King of Kings as was Marduk. Obatala is known as King of Peace. And Baal was known as "the Lord” yet you have no problem calling Christ by any of these names because you know you aren't referring to any of these Pagan Gods. It is the same when we call Mary Queen of Heaven we aren't referring to the Babylonian Goddess. Just because they have the same title doesn't make them the same person just like just because Marduk has the same title as Jesus doesn't mean he is Jesus.
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