humble_guest wrote:Fine I won't go into this, even though it's necessary. <Sigh> This is what is so sad about discourse with Christians, they want to make as many analogies about God as they can. They want to compare Him to His creations. They can't ever be satisfied with knowing God and accepting Him, they have to demote Him to some human analogy, to separate Him into divisible parts and compare them.
This is because some of you Muslims keep saying One God expressed in three persons is illogical. We do not explain ourselves to show you how God is, we just show you that it is not illogical.
humble_guest wrote:No it could not have been applied to the Gospels because they don't contain a direct revelation from God, and not even claimed to be preserved to the word [fill in your blanket statement about "inspiration" for very smart men].
Actually, the manuscript evidence says otherwise (much more than any other historical documents). The Gospels are more preserved than your beloved Qu'ran.
humble_guest wrote:So after Jesus (pbuh) ascended to Heaven, "the Word" came back to the authors of the NT and inspired them to write the NT? If that's the case, why didn't the authors declare their Prophet-hood openly to the people like every other Prophet in the world did? Every single one. Why were their texts not transmitted moreso than any other and had to be chosen from among other "gospels" by the early Church fathers?
Jesus declared He was the Son of God and people still said His miracles were from the devil. If its one thing I know, God did not tell you to make those comments. On the contrary, the New Testament Canon is based on Old Testement principles/prophecies which came from God (and I know you being a Muslim, adhere to the Old Testament).
humble_guest wrote:Then you're not being at all clear. When a thought is put into the minds of an "inspired man" it must be very articulate, especially if it is divinely inspired AND conveys complex ideas. The very fact that a man would not write EXACTLY what he knew, or would paraphrase what was revealed to him, is abhorrent to me.
God is more concerned with meaning than words. God looks on the heart, His ways are not carnal like man (1 Sa 16:7).
humble_guest wrote:But why would the "Spirit of God" reveal to John something in so vague a way that John would have no precise why to state it? Think about this, and I do mean literally think about it, before you write a sentence down, you arrange it in your head. Now if the "Spirit of God" is reminding you with Truths, before you express them they would be arranged very clearly, and for John to express them when they were already ready in his mind, he would just need to write it down. Why on Earth would he then decide to write a Truth in a different way from the way the "Sprit of God" instilled it in him?
The way it is in the Bible is the way the Spirit of God told him. In fact, your statement is contradictory to a spiritual application because you want everything to be defined word by word, but Jesus walked by the Holy Spirit, and many things He said, the carnal man will not understand because there is spiritual application.
1 Corinthian 2:14>
But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
humble_guest wrote:The Qur'an was revealed to Muhammad via the angel Gabriel
[/u]Galatians 1:8-9
> [/i]But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!
humble_guest wrote:Whoa this is really cool bro. So you have three different, co-equal, interdependent "essential parts of God" that are submissive to each other? Shared obedience and absolute sovereignty? That's fantastic man, an absolute Monarchy in a Kingdom of plural Kings makes more sense.
No one can fully comprehend God, but it is not out of His range to express Himself in three different persons.
humble_guest wrote:Though I doubt you could tackle every OT/NT translation problem, unless you truly are a scholar of Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek/Latin.
Essentially you are saying there are no problems with the OT/NT translations because you imply that if you are a scholar, you understand that the problems raised up by skeptics are alleged, then proven false. Thank you!
humble_guest wrote:Um, actually it was resolved around 632 AD when the Qur'an, containing tens of passages talking about God's omniscience, had completely been revealed. Christ's ignorance of certain things is a factor because there are historical accounts of when he didn't know things. But where do you find a point when God didn't know something, if you think you do, how on Earth did you prove that God wasn't aware of it?
How do you know Christ willingly did not want to know certain things? As Christ, God came in the flesh and humbled himself. Sort of like me spotting my little cousin 20 points in a game of basketball.
humble_guest wrote:What kinds of Prophecies and miracles did each author of the NT perform?
Matthew 10:1. Also, the Lord did miracles through Paul (Acts 14:8-10, 15:12, 28:3-5 etc.)
humble_guest wrote:Except for the thousands of Unitarian Christians that were butchered in the first few centuries of Trinitarian hegemony. Go look at the infighting between Christians.
If someone claims to be a Christian and spreads the gospel by violence, they are going against the teachings of Christ. However, if someone spreads Islam by violence, can it be justified by its teaching? You be the judge.
humble_guest wrote:I believe in THE apostles, that's not what I asked you to show. I asked for you to identify the authors of the NT, and to show that THEY were Prophets of God.
Well, I'm sorry. I don't think we can physically make them appear to show us they were prophets. The Holy Spirit is the only thing which can reveal this truth to you. Only believe in what you see? Can you remember seeing yourself coming out of your mother's womb? If no, I guess your mother isn't who you think she is then.