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LindaBee2 wrote:Sevryn45 wrote:A Christian is someone who belives that the Messiah Jesus is the all Mighty God, that's exactly what a Christian was is and always will be.
Anyone else who denies that fact is not Christian period, no matter how much propaganda they spew out of their filthy mouths. Hence JW's, Mormons, Christiadelphians and all the other wackos who claim to be christian are in fact NOT CHRISTIANS but deceitful jerks who twist OUR CHRISTIAN Sacered Scriptures for their own idiotic cult purposes.
I hope I made things clear.
Have a nice day, love you all bye bye.
Sevryn, stop being so hateful. I'm getting tired of this attitude that you display. It's not productive and it's just plain irritating.
Aburaees, here is a list of questions that I compiled just for this occasion. Please pay attention to what your Bible, not your leaders, have to say.
SECTION 1
(Jesus Christ, the Trinity and Salvation)
Dt 4:35, 39; Is 44:6, 8 and 43:11; Jn 17:3-5
How many true Gods are there?
Can we agree that something that is not true, is false?
I understand that you have a strange wording for Jn 1:1. What does the Watchtower Bible have to say?
Is Jesus a true God or a false God? Jesus cannot be a false god, because John says he is (in the Watchtower Bible) "a god." Jesus cannot be a false god like the golden calf or like the "so-called gods" mentioned in 1 Cor 8:5.
Is Jesus a lesser true God or a lesser false god?
Rev 1:8 - Who is speaking? Who is the Alpha and Omega? Jesus.
Rev 1:7 - "Pierced" clearly refers to Jesus.
Rev 22:12-13 - The speaker claims to be "the Al'pha and the O-me'ga, the first and the last."
Is 44:6, 48:12-13 - Jehovah God is the "first and last."
Rev 22:16 - Jesus is speaking, since He identifies Himself.
Rev 22:20 - Confirms that Jesus is speaking.
Do you see why Jesus is speaking in Rev 1:8?
Wouldn't you agree that since this is Jesus who's speaking, there are only two alternatives? Either Jesus and Jehovah are the same, and/or the Watchtower has mistranslated Rev 1:8.
Is it true that you believe that Christ returned invisibly in 1914?
Mt 16:27-28 and 24:30; Jn 1:51; Ac 1:9-11; Rev 1:7 make it clear that His return will be obvious.
Don't these Scriptures conflict with Watchtower teaching?
Jn 8:58 - Most translations read, "before Abraham was born, I am!", which is a reference to the "I am" of the OT. Jesus is claiming eternal existence and to be Jehovah of the OT.
Read Jn 8:58 from your Bible.
In your KIT, you'll see that the Greek phrase is "EGO EIMI," which is the present tense of "to be." Look at how the KIT translates this phrase in Jn 13:19 and 8:24. Why did the Society translate this phrase differently in Jn 8:58, unless they were trying to cover up the truth?
Jn 10:30-33 - Jesus makes one of many claims to be God, by saying, "I and the Father are one."
The Jews believed that they had unity of purpose with God. Since they already had that, why did they pick up stones to kill Jesus?
Wasn't death the penalty for blasphemy, which is what they knew Jesus just committed by claiming to be God?
Jn 20:28 - Thomas calls Jesus, "My Lord and my God," which is the same in the NWT.
Who did Thomas come to believe that Jesus was?
It would have been blasphemy for Jesus to accept the title of God, if he was not God.
Wouldn't He have rebuked Thomas immediately if his words were not true?
You claim that "Trinitarians" worship a three-headed God.
Mt 28:19 - Because "name" is singular, plurality within unity is indicated.
The word "Trinity" is not in the Bible, but neither are the words "millennium," "theocracy," or "rapture," which are common terms in your theology."
Some believe that the Trinity was a concept that was originated in the 4th century. Many early church fathers discussed the Trinity: Clement of Rome in 100 AD; Ignatius in 107 AD; and Melito of Sardis in 180 AD.
Why would the Society promote their statement about the Trinity when they know it's not true?
How do you know whether or not "Trinitarians" believe in a "complicated, freakish-looking, three-headed God," when you've been forbidden to read Bibles that are not sanctioned by the Society?
Has a "Trinitarian" ever explained to you what the Trinity is?
The Society teaches that Abraham, Issac and Jacob will not reside with Christ in his kingdom.
Mt 8:11 - Jesus says, "But I tell you that many from eastern parts and western parts will come and recline at the table with Abraham and Issac and Jacob in the kingdom of the heavens."
If Jesus is just a man and is a separate being from the Father, explain Phil 2:7-8. The Bible makes it clear how Jesus could be both true God and true man by voluntarily humbling Himself to be a man.
Has the Society ever discussed this with you?
If Jesus could not be God if He is the Mediator, he could not be man, either. Jesus can only be both 100% God and 100% man. Only God could do the things he did and claim the things he claimed. Jesus had to be man as well, in order for his death to be meaningful as payment for our sins.
Who raised Jesus from the dead?
Read Jn 2:19 and 10:17-18 from the NWT out loud.
Don't you agree that it is clear that Jesus raised Himself?
Do you believe in Jesus' resurrection?
Do you believe 1 Cor 15:17, that if Christ has not been raised from the dead, your faith is in vain?
Isn't Jesus the central point of the NT?
I've heard that The Watchtower magazine differs from the NWT on Ro 10:13, which says, "everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved." But the May 1, 1978 issue of The Watchtower (page 12) says this refers to Jesus.
Can you look that up for me by the next meeting and see if that's true?
Isn't it true that The Watchtower magazine has given changing, contradictory statements about whether to worship Jesus?
March, 1800 (pg. 3) and 8/15/1941 (pg. 252) - Worship Jesus.
1/1/1954 (pg. 31), 11/1/1964 (pg. 671) - Don't worship Jesus.
Where in the Bible does it say that Jesus is really the archangel Michael?
According to what I've read, you believe that Jesus was an exalted man that God used to create the earth, but Jesus himself is a created being...not God.
If this is true -- if Jesus is a created being and not God -- how could He create something as complicated as the earth?
Isn't God the only One who has such power?
You believe that the Holy Spirit is not a person, but a force.
Eph 4:30 - How can a force be grieved?
Ac 13:2 - Why does the Spirit speak directly and refer to Himself as "I" and "me"?
Jn 16:7-8, 16:13-14 - How could He be referred to as a being that is clearly male?
Jn 16:7 - How could He have a will?
Jn 15:26, Ac 20:23 - How could He bear witness?
Is 63:10 - How could He feel hurt?
Mk 3:29, Lk 12:10 - How could He be feel blasphemed?
Eze 3:24; Ac 8:29, 10:19; Heb 10:15-17 - How could He speak?
Ac 16:6 - How could He forbid someone to say things?
Ro 8:26 - How could He plead for us?
Ac 5:9 - How could He be tested?
Ac 13:4 - How could He send people?
Jn 14:16, 16:7 - How could He be a helper?
Ac 20:28 - How could He appoint overseeers?
Heb 10:29 - How could He be outraged?
Gal 5:17 - How could He desire?
1 Cor 2:10 - How could He search? How could He have a mind?
Ac 9:31 - How could He comfort?
Ro 15:30 - How could He be loved?
Ac 5:3-4 - How could He be lied to? How could He be God?
Jn 14:26 - How could He teach?
Mt 12:32, Lk 12:10 - What does the Bible say about those who speak against the Holy Spirit?
To qualify as an intelligent person, does one need to think, act, communicate and have a will?
Given these examples that the Holy Spirit is more than just an "active force," but is in fact a person of the Godhead, can you see that the Watchtower's teaching about the Spirit is false?
The Society teaches that Abraham, Issac and Jacob will not reside with Christ in his kingdom.
Mt 8:11 - Jesus says, "But I tell you that many from eastern parts and western parts will come and recline at the table with Abraham and Issac and Jacob in the kingdom of the heavens."
Zec 2:10-12 - "Cry out loudly and rejoice, O daughter of Zion; for here I am coming, and I will reside in the midst of you", is the utterance of Jehovah...And you will have to know that Jehovah of armies himself has sent me to you. And Jehovah will certainly take possession of Judah...and he must yet choose Jerusalem."
If Jesus and Jehovah are not one and the same God, then how do you explain the fact that Christ is the one who is "coming" and "will reside in the midst of you," but in this passage, Jehovah claims that he is the one who is coming and will reside in their midst?
How do you explain the fact that "Jehovah of armies" is sending him (Jehovah) to reside in their midst?
Jn 10:30-31 - What did Jesus say that made the Jews want to murder Him?
The phrase "Son of God" in theological language is a Semitic term which means "having the same nature as God," or being God, just as "Son of man" means "having the same nature as a man," or being a man. Since blasphemy is one of the few offenses in Jewish law for which a person may be stoned to death, wouldn't this claim of Christ -- that he is the Son of God -- qualify as a blasphemous statement to the Jews?
Wasn't this the reason they wanted to kill him by stoning him to death? (Jn 10:31, 36-39)
Is 42:8 - "I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory..."
Is 48:11 - "...And to no one else shall I give my own glory."
Jn 17:5 - If Christ is not God, then how could He say, "So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was"?
Since God stated that no one else would have the glory that alone belonged to God, how could Christ have the same "glory" as God unless Christ is God in the flesh?
Ph 2:6-8 - Christ was "existing in God's form" before he became a man. He willingly "emptied (lowered) himself" to become a man and "humbled himself" in order to make himself subject to the Father.
Gal 4:4 - Christ was born under the law.
Jn 5:30, 6:37 - Jesus came to do the will of the Father.
Doesn't this mean that before Christ lowered Himself, He would not have been subject to the Father?
Doesn't this mean that he would therefore be equal to the Father in authority and glory? (Jn 17:5)
You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth states on page 147, "Bible evidence shows that in the year 1914 C.E. God's time arrived for Christ to return and begin ruling." It also states, "In the same way, Christ's return does not mean that he literally comes back to this earth. Rather, it means that he takes Kingdom power toward this earth and turns his attention to it."
1 Cor 11:26 - Paul writes, "For as often as you eat this loaf and drink this cup, you keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he arrives."
If Christ "arrived" in 1914, why do Jehovah's Witnesses continue to partake of the bread and wine?
Shouldn't they have stopped in 1914?
Ac 2:26-27 - Peter, referring to the time the dead Jesus spent in the tomb, quotes David's statement about Christ: "On this account my heart became cheerful and my tongue greatly rejoiced. Moreover, even my flesh will reside in hope, because you will not leave my soul in Hades..."
If Jesus' body was destroyed while He was in the tomb, why does He say that His flesh will reside in hope?
For what hope was His flesh residing?
If there is no conscious awareness after death, how could He hope in the first place?
Is 9:6 - Jesus is referred to as "Mighty God."
Is 10:20-21 - Jehovah God is referred to as "Mighty God."
How can this be if there is only one God?
Is 9:6 - Jesus is called the "Eternal father." Since only God is eternal, how can this be if Christ is not God, but was "created" by God?
If "Mighty God" and "Eternal Father" are only titles given to Christ, why would He be given any title in Scripture that did not accurately apply to Him?
Ac 17:31 - Paul says, "Because he has set a day in which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has furnished a guarantee to all men in that he has resurrected him from the dead."
Did Paul believe that the future Judge of the world, Jesus Christ, would be an invisible spirit creature or an immortal man?
1 Tim 2:5 - After Jesus' death, Paul writes, "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus." Did he, speaking in the present, believe that Jesus was an invisible spirit creature or a man?
Heb 1:3 - Referring to Christ, the Scripture says, "...and he sustains all things by the word of his power." What does the word "all" mean to you?
How could Christ sustain all things unless He is Almighty?
Since only God is Almighty, what does this verse say about Christ?
You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth states on page 147, "...Bible evidence shows that in the year 1914 C.E. God's time arrived for Christ to return and begin ruling." It also states, "In the same way, Christ's return does not mean that he literally comes back to this earth. Rather, it means that he takes Kingdom power toward this earth and turns his attention to it."
Zech 14:4 - This Scripture describes the event. "And his feet will actually stand in that day upon the mountain of the olive trees which is in front of Jerusalem on the east."
If Jesus has no body and if He will not literally come back to Earth, as only the Society teaches, how do you explain this verse?
What does the phrase "his feet will actually stand" mean to you?
Zech 14:3 - Jehovah's feet that will stand upon the mountain of the olive trees. Since Jesus is the one who is coming, how can this be unless Jesus and Jehovah are one and the same?
Mt 24:30, Rev 1:7 - "All the tribes of the earth" and "every eye" will see Jesus when He returns.
What do the words "all" and "every" mean to you?
Heb 9:28 - How can Christ appear a second time if He will not have a visible return to earth?
Ac 1:11 - "This Jesus who was received up from the you (apostles) into the sky will come thus in the same manner as you have beheld him going into the sky."
What does the phrase "in the same manner" mean to you?
Ac 1:9 - Did Jesus literally, physically, and in plain view ascend to Heaven? What does the phrase "while they were looking on, he was lifted up" mean to you?
If Jesus physically and in plain view ascended to Heaven, then how can He have an invisible return to Earth if His return will be in the same manner as His ascension?
Jn 2:18-19 - To what was Jesus referring to by the term "this temple"?
Jn 2:21 - John states that when Jesus used the term "this temple," He was referring to His body.
If the Society teaching that Jesus' body was destroyed after His death is correct, how do you explain these verses?
Jn 1:3 - Jesus created "all things." What does the word "all" mean to you?
Is 44:24 - God says that he "by myself" created the heavens and the earth and asks the question "Who was with me?" when the heavens and the earth were created. If what the Society teaches about the nature of Christ is correct, how could God have been by Himself when the heavens and the earth were created if Christ had been created first?
If Jesus had been created by God, wouldn't he have been with God when everything else was created?
Jn 1:3 - If Jesus was a created being, He would have had to create Himself. How would that have been possible?
Pr 8:1-4, 12, 22-31 - If Christ was created by God and was the wisdom of God, then before Jesus would have been created, God would have had to have been without wisdom. How is it possible that God could have ever been without wisdom?
Pr 8:2 - The feminine form of the Hebrew verb "natsab" is used. This can only be translated as "she stands."
Pr 8:3 - The feminine form of the Hebrew verb "ranan" is used. This can only be translated as "she cries." If the NWT is the most accurate word for word translation of the Bible, why does it use the neuter pronoun "it" in these verses when the feminine pronoun "she" is called for?
How could Christ be the wisdom of God in Pr 8, if the feminine form of the verbs are used?
Why does the NWT use the pronoun "it" in Pr 8:2-3, when wisdom is called "sister" in Pr 7:5 and "she" in Pr 9:4?
Ps 102:25/Heb 1:10 - The heavens are the work of Jehovah's hands, as well as Jesus'.
Is 48:13/Heb 1:10 - Jehovah laid the foundations of the earth. So did Jesus.
Ps 50:6, Ec 12:14, 1 Ch 16:33/2 Tim 4:1, Rev 20:12 - Jehovah is our Judge. So is Jesus.
Rev 21:22 - Jehovah and Jesus are the temple of the New Jerusalem.
Rev 1:8/Rev 22:13 - Jehovah is the Alpha and Omega. So is Jesus.
Is 44:6, 48:12/Rev 22:13 - Jehovah is the first and the last. The same is said of Jesus.
Rev 21:6/Rev 22:13 - Jehovah is the beginning and the end. Again, so is Jesus.
Lk 5:21/Lk 5:20 - Only Jehovah can forgive sins. Only Jesus can forgive sins.
Ps 71:5/1 Tim 1:1 - Jehovah is our hope. So is Jesus.
Dt 33:27/Is 9:6, Heb 1:10-11 - Jehovah is eternal. Jesus is eternal.
Zech 14:5/1 Th 3:13 - Jehovah will come with all the holy ones. Jesus will as well.
Is 43:11/Titus 2:13, 2 Pet 1:1 - Jehovah is our Savior. Jesus is our Savior.
Is 44:24, Jer 27:5/Jn 1:3 - Jehovah is the Creator of the universe. So is Jesus.
Is 45:22-23/Ph 2:10-11 - To Jehovah, every knee will bow and every tongue confess. To Jesus, the same thing will be done.
Ps 102:27/Heb 1:12 - Jehovah and Jesus are the same, and their days will have no end.
Mal 3:6/Heb 13:8 - Jehovah and Jesus are immutable.
Ps 97:9/Jn 3:31 - Jehovah and Jesus are over all.
Ro 8:9/Gal 4:6 - The Spirit of Jehovah dwells in us. The Spirit of Jesus dwells in us.
Is 8:14/1 Pet 2:8 - Jehovah and Jesus are stones of offense and stumbling blocks.
Zech 11:12-13/Mt 26:14-16 - Jehovah and Jesus were valued at 30 pieces of silver.
Ps 23:1/Jn 10:11, 1 Pet 5:4, Heb 13:20 - Jehovah and Jesus are our Shepherd.
Is 10:21/Is 9:6 - Jehovah is Mighty God. Jesus is Mighty God.
Dt 10:17, Ps 136:3/Rev 17:14 - Jehovah and Jesus are Lord of Lords.
Is 44:8, Ps 18:2, 94:22/1 Cor 10:4 - Jehovah and Jesus are our Rock.
Is 54:5/Jude 4 - Jehovah and Jesus are our owner.
Dt. 32:39/Jn 10:28 - No one can snatch us out of Jehovah's and Jesus' hands.
2 Sam 22:3/Lk 1:68-69 - Jehovah and Jesus are the Horn of Salvation.
Ps 62:12/Mt 16:27, Rev 22:12 - Jehovah and Jesus render according to our works.
Pr 3:12/Rev 3:19 - Jehovah and Jesus love and correct.
Is 40:8/Mt 24:35 - The words of Jehovah and Jesus will stand forever.
Is 60:19/Jn 8:12, Rev 21:23 - Jehovah and Jesus are the eternal light.
Eze 34:16/Lk 19:10 - Jehovah and Jesus seek to save the lost.
Titus 1:1/Rom 1:1, Mt 6:24 - Paul is a slave to Jehovah and Jesus, even though no man can serve two masters.
Gal 1:1/Jn 2:19-21 - Jehovah raised Jesus from the dead. So did Jesus.
Ps 48:14/Lk 1:79 - Jehovah and Jesus are our Guide.
Ps 70:5, 2 Sam 2:22/Rom 11:26 - Jehovah and Jesus are our Deliverer.
Is 44:8/Is 9:6, Jn 20:28 - Jehovah and Jesus are both called God.
Is 44:6/Mt 27:42, Jn 1:49 - Jehovah is the King of Israel. So is Jesus.
Since the Bible does not contradict itself, how can all these things be true if Jesus is not God?
Jn 20:28 - John refers to Jesus in Greek as "Ho kyrios moy kai ho theos moy." This translates literally as "the (Ho) Lord (kyrios) of me (moy) and (kai) the (ho) God (theos) of me (moy)."
Jn 20:29 - Why does Jesus affirm Thomas for having come to this realization?
If Jesus really wasn't the Lord and "the God" of Thomas, why didn't He correct him for making either a false assumption or a blasphemous statement?
If Jesus was executed on a torture stake, with both hands together over his head, as only the Society teaches, why does Jn 20:25 say "...unless I see in his hands the print of the nails..." indicating that there was more than one nail used for his hands?
Wouldn't two nails have been used if Christ was crucified on a cross, whereas only one nail would have been used if he would have been executed on an upright pole?
Mt 1:23 - Who is Matthew referring to here that has been given the name which means "With Us Is God"?
Lk 24:36-39, Jn 20:26-27 - Jesus showed his disciples the wounds in His body as proof of His resurrection. If His body had been destroyed by God after He died, how could Jesus show the disciples His very own body, which had the wounds in his hands, feet, and side?
Lk 24:39 - Jesus says, "See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; feel me and see me, because a spirit does not have flesh and bones just as you behold that I have."
If Jesus was really raised as a spirit without a body, as the Society teaches, why would He have tried to deceive His disciples into thinking He was resurrected in His real body, with "flesh and bones"?
1 Pet 3:18, Ro 8:11 - Does "being made alive in the spirit" really mean the same thing as "being raised as a spirit"?
Mt 28:19 - Jesus tells his disciples to baptize "people of all the nations...in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
Why would the disciples be instructed to baptize in the name of anybody or anything who was not God?
Do Witnesses follow the command of Jesus and baptize "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"?
Eph 4:4 - There is one spirit.
1 Cor 6:15 - For the people of God's temple, this spirit of God dwells in them.
Ro 8:9 - Those who are in harmony with the spirit have God's Spirit dwelling in them.
Phil 1:19, Gal 4:6, Ro 8:9 - If this is all true and there is only one sprirt, then who or what is the spirit of Christ?
Gal 4:6 - How is it possible that the spirit of Christ could come into our hearts?
How is it possible that the spirit of Christ could reside in someone?
Ro 8:9 - How can a person have God's spirit dwelling in them, but also have Christ's spirit -- if there is only one spirit -- unless God and Jesus are one and the same?
Jn 6:51 - Jesus says that a person must eat "of this bread" in order to "live forever," and that "the bread that I give is my flesh."
Jn 6:52 - If He was only speaking symbolically here, why did the Jews object to this teaching?
Jn 6:53-54, 56-58 - Why didn't Jesus explain to them that He was only speaking symbolically, instead of going on to repeat Himself five times, saying essentially the same thing?
If Jesus was only speaking symbolically here, why does John use the Greek word "trogo" (Strong's # 5176) in these Scriptures, which means "to gnaw on; to chew" according to Strong's Greek dictionary?
Can "to gnaw on or chew" be taken symbolically in any way?
Jn 6:60, 66 - If Jesus was only speaking symbolically in this passage, after His own disciples objected to this teaching, why did He allow many disciples to leave, instead of calling them back and straightening everything out like He had done on other occasions with other difficult teachings?
If Jesus was only speaking symbolically in this passage and He really meant that they only needed to believe, why did so many disciples leave Him over this teaching, when they had already been told that they must "believe" (Jn 5:24), and we see absolutely no disciples leaving him after Jesus told them this?
Jn 6:54, 58, Lk 22:19 - Do you eat the flesh of Christ, as Jesus commanded, in order to have life in yourself and in order to live forever?
Jn 5:17-18 - If Jesus is not God, why would He have deceived the Jews by making Himself "equal to God"?
Jn 5:39-40 - Jesus says, "You are searching the Scriptures, because you think that by means of them you will have everlasting life...And yet you do not want to come to me that you may have life."
Mt 11:28, Jn 5:40 - Witnesses are constantly searching the scriptures. But do you come directly to Jesus, as He says you should?
Do Witnesses come to Jesus by praying directly to Him?
If not, then aren't Witnesses exactly like the people Jesus was talking about in Jn 5:39-40?
Mt 4:10 - Jesus has the authority to rebuke Satan, and he does so.
Jude 9 - "But when Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil...he did not dare to bring a judgment against him...but said, "May Jehovah rebuke you."
If Jesus is Michael the Archangel, why did Michael refuse to rebuke Satan, when he clearly did so in Mt 4:10?
Mt 14:33 and 28:9; Jn 9:38; Rev 5:14 - If Jesus is Michael the Archangel, why did other angels worship him?
Jn 5:23 - "in order that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father..." If Jesus is not God, why does the Bible require that all men should honor the Son equally with the Father?
The Society teaches that Jesus is the first and greatest creation of God.
Dan 10:13 - If Jesus was Michael the Archangel before he became a man, why does this Scripture refer to Michael as "one of the foremost princes," implying that he was equal to other angels?
Heb 13:8 - If Christ was Michael before the incarnation, then became Jesus, then changed back into Michael after his death, why does this Scripture say that, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today, and forever."?
How could Christ be the same if he changed from being Michael, into being Jesus, then back into being Michael again?
Romans 10:12 - "...for there is the same Lord (Jesus, verse 9) over all, who is rich to all those calling upon him."
If Jesus is not to be prayed to, why does Paul say that they will be rich who call "upon him"?
1 Cor 1:2 - Paul says, "...together with all who everywhere are calling upon the name of our Lord, Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours."
2 Tim 2:22 - Paul says, "...but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace, along with those who call upon the Lord out of a clean heart."
If Christians should not pray to Jesus, why did the early Christians call upon Him?
How can a person call upon Jesus without praying to Him?
Amos 4:11 - "'I caused an overthrow among you people, like God's overthrow of Sodom and Gomorrah. And you came to be like a log snatched out of [the] burning; but you did not come back to me,' is the utterance of Jehovah."
If the Trinity does not exist, how can Jehovah -- speaking in this verse -- refer to another person as God?
Mt 25:31 - If Jesus is Michael, how can this verse say, "When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and all the angels with him,..."?
Since "all the angels" would include Michael, is it possible that Jesus could return with Himself?
Heb 1:13 - If Jesus was Michael before His birth, how do you explain this verse, which says, "But with reference to which one of the angels has he ever said: "Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet"?
If Jesus became Michael upon His resurrection, why did none of the New Testament writers refer to the resurrected Christ as "Michael" by name?
Can you point out one verse that says that Jesus and Michael are the same?
Lk 2:11 - If Jesus did not become the Christ until He was baptized approximately 30 years after His birth, why does this verse say, "because there was born to you today a Savior, who is Christ [the] Lord, in David's city."?
What does the word "is" mean to you?
Mk 9:7 - Every true Christian agrees that we should follow the commands of God. This verse says that we should listen to Jesus.
Do you follow this command and listen to Jesus?
1 Jn 2:2, 1 Pet 2:24 - After all, Jesus died for your personal sins.
Mt 11:28-30 - Jesus tells us to go directly to Him.
The Father commanded us to listen to Jesus, because Jesus gives us everlasting life (Jn 10:28), and so that He will enter our house and be with us and give us the right to sit on His throne (Rev 3:20-21).
1 Cor 1:2 - Do you pray to Jesus as Paul and the early Christians did?
Jn 6:51 - Do you partake of the flesh of Christ as Jesus commanded?
If not, then are you following the command of the Father, who said, "Listen to him."?
Is it true that you believe in salvation through works, not by grace?
Eph 2:8-9 -
Ac 2:21 - Jehovah is the name which brings salvation.
Ac 4:10-12 - Jesus is the name which brings salvation.
If they are not one God, then why does the NWT make these statements?
I looked up the definition of "Lord" in various glossaries and dictionaries.
According to my first source, "Lord" is a "title of majesty and kingship." (Authorized King James Version, Red Letter Edition, The Open Bible Edition, pg. 186)
In my second source, I found the following definition: "refers to God as the master." (The Journey, The Study Bible for Spiritual Seekers, pg. 1685)
Finally, my third source, which defines "lord" as, "1. a person having great power and authority; ruler; master." (New World Dictionary of the American Language, Second College Edition, pg. 835)
1 Cor 8:5-6 (NWT) - "For even though there are those who are called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many "gods" and many "lords," there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him."
Notice that near the end of the Scripture, Jesus is referred to as Lord, which has been clearly defined as "master."
If you believe that Jesus Christ is not God, then why is He referred to in the NWT as Lord, which clearly means "master"?
What does "Lord" mean to you?
Doesn't "and we for him" imply that every Witness was created to serve Jehovah God, Who would then probably be considered your Master?
Mt 6:24 - No one can serve two masters. So if Jehovah and Jesus are two separate beings, why does the NWT advocate the worship of both of them?
Gen 1:26 - If you do not believe in the Trinity, then explain the useage of the words "us" and "our."
Thank you LindaBee2,
Your post is much appreciated. I am however, not a Jehovahs Witness, I just didn't like to see them being put outside the fold of Christianity.
They see Jesus as performing godly duties on Yahweh's behalf whilst remaining under Yahweh's authority.
I liked your question about whether Jesus was a true god or a false god, very effective.
Can you help me to understand God's statement that Jesus is the Firstborn of all Creation?
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