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First, let me apologize for a few things. In being wrong I do not find shame, but pleasure. For when one is corrected, he learns what is right.
No need to apologize friend, we are both here to learn and seek the truth.
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So first concerning Hebrews, I have misconcieved the sacrifice taught in communion, forgive me for this.
Do not worry friend, it was my pleasure to shed a little light on this issue.
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If the term whore offended you, I am sorry that it was offensive, but God called all falsehood that first. Yet for the sake of love, I will cease using the term when speaking with any Catholic/Protestant.
Thank you.
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If you want proof of the paganism in the rituals that are practiced in "churches" look up the the origins of such things as Easter, Christmas, look up Mithraism and its rituals, look up the Babylonian mysteries (Ninus, Ishtar, and Tammuz). I have a web-page if you want it that is a good starting point as far as collecting key words and other such things to begin your studies. The reason I have not just given you my sources is b/c it would be better for you to find these things for yourself, if you want too. Of course I trust that you would look at many sources from different backgrounds. A muslim will shape his research to support Islam, a Christain the same, as with an atheist or pagan.
I am sure many things came into Christianity from paganism but I believe it was minor things like wedding rings and feast days that were transferred from pagan to Christian (Christmas). I do not think anything that undermines the christian faith crept into Christianity from paganism, however if you wish we can go into detail.
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I am sorry that I have not qouted the verses for you. Forgive me for my assumptions. I usually only qoute verses if I am talking to one who is not familiar with the word. I assumed that you knew scripture and felt that it was not necessary to qoute everything and make it even longer because you would know what the bible says.
I do know what the bible says but I need to look up the verse etc.. to se its various translations the difference between the Protestant and the Catholic and maybe amplyify it. Also one needs to read scripture in context.
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I disagree with your thoughts on John, b/c what I am saying regarding it was not given to me by any man.
Then by whom was it given?
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With 1 Cor, he told them it was not the Lord's Supper b/c of there conduct and division, not because they were not following the doctrine of breaking bread in remembrance of Christ.
This indeed may be the case, but it still doesnt support you thoery.
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I apologize for mispelling marys', I'm sure you have made an error in spelling before and will forgive me for it.
I was being stupid, "Picking and nagging"
I am sorry that I even pointed it out, I shouldnt have.
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I was just touching on a number of issues, but if the changes in topic were confusing or pointless to you, I have no argument concerning your judgement.
Well lets put it this way, I have heard them all before.
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My point with the he is here, lo, he is there, was that Christain are fulfilling this prophecy on a daily basis by sending people their high places.
Aha I agree.
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No where in scripture have I seen any building or place called a church/Christ's body.
That could be because not everything is in scripture.
plus if you want I can quote some scripture to show you that the "church" is pysical as well as spiritual.
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Friend neither am I my own authority. I am subject to my brothers and sisters in the lord and they to I. When they speak the truth, I submit to it. Because it is not their truth, but God's that is spoken (Christ, God's word) who is head of the body. We all are brothers and all are one and one all. I am in no way anyone's authority and no one mine but Christ and the Heavenly Father. I am following God through Christ and not tradition.
You say you are subject to your brothers and sisters, what ones? Most ofd the worlds Christians are ethier Catholics Orthodox or Protestant, what brother/sister will you turn to? none share your beliefs! The bible tells us to hold on to apostolic tradition, would you like the verse etc..?
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If I have given you nothing, then you have not understood what was said. But it is your choice how much thought you will give it. I am sure if your heart is for God, pray about it and I am sure that He will help you understand what I said. Then if you disagree still, I have no argument against it.
I understand perfectly what you are trying to say, but I disagree totally.
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We agree on something (lol)
I agree that the body and blood is the source of the Christain life, but disagree that it is communion. The body truly nourishes itself and that fellowship that we have with one another in love is our source.
Then we can agree to disagree.
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As far as what church do I attend...
I cannot go to a church, but am becoming part of it. When we come together then I am there. But service, the world can keep. Friend, I used to love church on Sundays and later Saturdays. But thanks be to God that He lead me and nurtured me. And finally pulled me out of that body and gave me grace to see clearly what I was doing. I was saddened to know such things at first, but as I learned, I was grateful. Amen...
Why is it that you cannot go to church? is it because you do not believe in a physical church? Service helps deeper your understanding of the faith and you need church to administer sacraments to you, dont you?
The church is a place where the believers (Church) come together to pray and recieve the sacraments etc... one cannot do this alone.
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Non-trinity, I speak to you out of opinion, from my study and understanding of scripture. But friend, when I talk about it I pray about it. As of yet, I have not been given that revelation. In due time all fruit is produced.
What revelation are you waiting for? and what do you mean by "non-trinity"?
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Rituals, I speak to you from research, prayer, and confirmation through Spirit and visions given me.
Yes many claim the same given to them that support my belief, and others that support theres and many flase prophets claim this also.
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The Chruch, John, Sabbath, and other things, I speak as God has shown me.
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(Not directed at you, but a statement that I'm saying to all) Be a disciple of Christ, not man. May God's wisdom be with those who love his truth and seek it with their whole being.
P.S
I was not being sarcastic about reading the whole chapters, and I apologize for not considering that you may have more important things to do.
You seem like a very nice down to earth guy that will admit "the errors of his way" whitch is very humble of you, unlike many others I have debated with that think they cannot even possibly be wrong.
Peace brother