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hisway wrote:Why are you even asking that question? The name of the Father that Jesus declared is "Jesus". The ONE name for the three titles of Father, Son and Holy Ghost is "Jesus". The name of the Father is Jesus. The name of the Son is Jesus. The name of the Holy Ghost is Jesus. From where did the Son inherit His name? (Heb 1:4) - from the Father. What was that name? - Jesus. If the Father's name was "Jesus" and the Father gave that name by inheritence to the Son then the Son's name would be "Jesus". It is no different than when a human child is given their father's surname.

• John 12:28 - Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
• John 17:6 - I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
• John 17:12 - While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
• John 17:26 - And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

hisway wrote:Of course that is a true statement. I never said otherwise. The Father as omnipresent Spirit was in heaven at the same time indwelling the human body of the Son. If the Father desired to speak out from heaven He could do that and still remain indwelling a human body. That is what being omnipresent is all about. So what?How can you even ask such a redundant question? The only Spirit that is omnipresent in this case is that of the Father's. Tell me, since I have the omnipresent Spirit of God dwelling in me does that make me omnipresent? Of course not! So why would the human body of Jesus be any different? The form of the Son was as human as you or I am with all its limitations. Notice what Jesus said, "I can of Mine Own Self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not Mine Own will, but the will of the Father..." (John 5:30) Here Jesus states His limitations as a man. Furthermore, Jesus said, "...the words that I speak unto you I speak not of Myself: but the Father that dwelleth in Me, He doeth the works." (John 14:10) Again this confirms that Spirit of the Father was the only Divinity at work in the body of the Son. The Son did none of the Divine works but the Father. You still fail to make the distinction between the Divine nature and the human nature of the Son.

Again, another redundant question. How can you even ask? Every human being saved or unsaved has a human spirit (soul). That is what the first advent of Jesus Christ is all about - to save human spirits (souls). If you can get the notion of a pre-eternal Son out of your mind for a few minutes to think objectively you would not need to keep asking the same questions over and over again about this simple issue. Every human being has a human spirit (soul) - DO YOU UNDERSTAND? Every born again believer has a human spirit (soul) separate from the indwelling of the Holy Ghost. It was no different in the case of Jesus as a man. He was a man with a human spirit (soul). That is what made Him fully human. A human spirit (soul) is limited. That is why Jesus as a man said He could do nothing of His Own Self. Because His Own Self as a man was human! But Jesus as a man had the Spirit of the Father indwelling Him separate from His human spirit (soul). Therefore, there was the Spirit of Father in the body of the Son (Divinity) and a human spirit (soul) in the body (humanity). The human spirit is not Divine it is human. Jesus inherited His human side from Mary - a human. And Jesus inherited His Divine side from the Father - God. What is so hard to understand about that?

• ONE HUMAN SPIRIT!
• ONE OMNIPRESENT!

hisway wrote:What? The human nature and will of the Son did not exist until Mary concieved and gave birth. Again I explained this previously and you have twisted what I said. You must learn how to read properly. Is English a second language to you or something? The only Glory Jesus had before the foundation of the world was that of being the ONE omnipresent Spirit.

John 17:5 - And now, O Father, glorify thou me with(thine own self) with the glory which I had (with thee before) the world was.

hisway wrote:What Glory did the Son have before the foundation of the world? The Glory He had as the ONE omnipresent Spirit. Again Jesus was speaking out of a dual nature. The Divine nature - the Spirit of the Father indwelling (the body) of the Son pre-existed in eternal Glory. At the moment Jesus was praying that prayer He was in a state of high anxiety for He knew His time was at hand. His humanity was struggling against the Spirit. He was sweating beads of blood. He realized by the Spirit the Glory He had as the ONE omnipresent Spirit before He took on the form of a human body. There is no other possiblity. As I stated before it is impossible for a co-eternal Son to change His attribute of being omnipresent. And it is another impossibilty the Son pre-existed as non-omnipresent Spirit otherwise He was not co-equal in attributes. Either way the trinity contradicts both those possibilities.

Omega wrote:WOW Jesus had a DUAL NATURE BEFORE the Foundation of the World??? Christ had a body before the foundation of the World???

hisway wrote:That is an out right lie. You're just twisting up my words around and misinterpreting what I said.

hisway wrote:Of course that is a true statement. I never said otherwise. The Father as omnipresent Spirit was in heaven at the same time indwelling the human body of the Son.

Omega wrote: Or better yet, The Spirit of the Father indwelling (the body) of the Son pre-existed WITH WHO OR WHAT?

hisway wrote:Come on, the ONE omnipresent Spirit of the Father existed alone and by Himself. Quit perverting what I said. You are being deceitful and misleading and falsely re-phrasing what I said. Shame on you.

hisway wrote:I never said any such thing. I fully explained this issue above. Just because you can't comprehend a simple concept don't pass the buck on me by rewriting my words. How can a human nature pre-exist eternally? I never said any such thing. The only time the human nature existed with the Divine nature is when Jesus walked the earth as a man. You make no sense at all in your replies. The Dual Nature refers to Jesus as a man on earth and has nothing to do with pre-existence. The ONE omnipresent Spirit of God simply incarnated a human body as God manifest in the flesh. I have preached that since I first started on this forum and never wavered from it. You have resorted to fraud tactics by twisting up my words.

Omega wrote:John 14:16 - And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Another{allos}:another or other
Other: \An*oth"er\, pron. & a. [An a, one + other.]1. One more, in addition to a former number; a second or additional one, similar in likeness or in effect.
Courtesy of Hyperdictionary!
Once again according to your theology, Jesus asked Himself to send Himself!

So according to you we have, th Human Spirit, the Omnipresent Spirit of the Father and then ANOTHER(Holy Spirit){allos}Comforter!
Further refutation in which you failed to answer:

John 12:28 - Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.

Now according to your theology, this is a communication between Jesus’ Humanity and His Deity. This is clearly a conversation between two persons, unless your trying to say that the Omnipresent spirit of God the Father in Heaven speaking to the Human Jesus on Earth is dual nature? Do we have dual natures? And if so, do we speak with ourselves?

(Omega) wrote:

The verse could read "I THE ONE OMNIPRESENT GOD came down from heaven, not to do mine own will [as the human form of the Son] but the will of [the ONE omnipresent Spirit God]..." Jesus as a man had a human will the same as any other human would.

Why would and "OMNIPRESENT" SPIRIT need to come down from Heaven if it is OMNIPRESENT?

Omega wrote:Lets make a comparison between Spirit and Nature.

• Human Nature
• Divine Nature
• Human Spirit
• Divine Spirit

Spirit and Nature are not the same by definition.

According to you, Jesus had a "Dual" Spirit! Should we replace "Spirit" with "Nature" whenever the word Spirit is used in Scriptures? One should
be "quick to hear and slow to speak"not "slow to hear and quick to speak"
Even if you made a vain attempt at providing a link between Spirit and Nature, your theology remains flawed.
1. The Nature of the Human Spirit
2. The Nature of the Divine Spirit.

You still have 2 spirits, understand?
We are done here hisway, your theology of the Godhead has been proven fallacious beyond reasonable doubt. Now we move on to the "Will" Portion of your argument. If Christ (CAME NOT) to do His "Human Will" but His "Divine Will", then we have 2 wills. One Human and the OTHER Divine. Furthermore your Dual Nature does not work here either. What was Christs "Human" will in the First place? Since He opted not to perform His own Human will?
God is now between 2 separate wills, once again "will" and "Nature" are NOT THE SAME!!
Christ stating that He "CAME NOT" to do His"OWN" Will but the Fathers is suggesting 2 separate wills, which are both DIVINE!

Omega wrote:Whether it is HUMAN or DIVINE, should it not be "HIS" OWN WILL??? And not His Fathers?

Jesus says that He is not here to do His Human will but His Divine will, Whether Divine or Human, Is it not Still "HIS WILL" Did Jesus say that He was doing His will or the Fathers? Furthermore the Scriptures state that he that doeth the (will of God) abideth for ever.1 John 2:17

But according to your theology, He that doeth the "Nature of God" abideth forever. Do you possess the Divine Nature of God? I have DISECTED your theology of the Godhead and exposed its heretical teachings. You are utterly deceived. Hisway, I think it is you who needs to give your False Doctrine a rest.

John 17:24 - Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for( thou) lovedst (me) before the foundation of the world.

Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:54-58

2 Timothy 2:15 - (Study) to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.