Trinity DebateTrinity debateBefore casting a stone at me you should look at your own self-denial of established Biblical precepts and your misleading distortion of the Word as I will show below. I agree with this statement in principle. I posted a similar statement in my response to Omega eariler in this thread. God created mankind with free will. Free Will is a human attribute. Every day born again believers make decisions and choices based on their free will. They have a choice to choose their own human will or seek out and do God's will. This was no different for Jesus as a man. He had His own human will according to His human nature the same as any other human does. But He submitted His human (human nature) will fully to the will of the Father (Divine nature). Therefore, the fact Jesus as a man had a human will only proves He was fully human and nothing more. That does not imply or prove a pre-existence as an omnipresent Spirit Son. I'm not clear as to what you mean in this statement. The only thing I can think of is; if one ignores God's will they will suffer the consequences as Jesus warned about in Matthew 7:21-23. "All things have been handed over to Me by My Father"...This supports what I posted earlier in my most recent response to Omega on this thread. This verse is simply stating that the ONE omnipresent Spirit (Father) transfered His authority to the manifest form of Himself. (see also Hebrews 1:1-13). This was already explained in my previous post. This also shows the Son did not have any Divine authority of His own therefore He was not omnipotent as a man thus not co-equal in attributes as the trinity claims. Otherwise why would it be necessary for the Father to hand over any authority to the Son if the Son already shared that attribute of being omnipotent? "...and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him..." All this is stating is Jesus as a man had full permission to exercise the authority the Father gave Him. Here is what Jesus had to say regarding this issue: "I can of My Own Self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and My judgement is just; because I seek not Mine Own will, but the will of the Father..." (John 5:30) Jesus although He had a human will as a man He never acted out of His human will but fully exercised the Father's will only. So when Jesus said, "to whom the Son wills" He was not expressing His Own will but the Father's will. That agrees with Matthew 16:17 when Jesus told Peter, "...for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father..." So Who is the One who reveals the true identity of the Son? - the Father. Who is the One who reveals the Father? -the Son according to the will of the Father ( not the Son's own human will).
"..one and the self same Spirit..."ONE SPIRIT means ONE SPIRIT. The only will that is being expressed is the will of the Father. What separate wills? The only separate will ever implied is the human will of Jesus as a man and even that will was submitted to doing only the Father's will. There is only ONE person exercising ONE person's will which is the Father.
Wrong. What we have is the Father (the ONE omnipresent Spirit) invisble form co-exting with the reduced visible form of Himself (Son). ONE God in two forms. I fully explained this in detail in my previous post. God has simply retained the manifest form of the Son and transfered all power and authority to that form while remaining omnipresent as Father.
First of let's deal with "the Son emptied Himself"... the word "emptied" does not exist anywhere in the New Testament and only occurs 8 times in the Old Testament Hebrew according to Strong's 1238, 1809,6168,7324,7386. I have both KJV and NKJV Bibles and could find no such word in the text you quoted. "But made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men" (Phil 2:7) KJV I would like to know where the "emptied" came from and what word it is in the Greek. Secondly, God cannot alter or change any of His Divine attributes. Even Omega had to admit to that Truth. You're simply not being honest with yourself. You have posted a twisted private opinion. You may be fooling yourself but your're not fooling anyone who may read what is posted here. The trinity has been proven to be a fable. And you have discredited yourself even among other trinitarians. Here is the fallacy of your claim: The Attributes of God that cannot change: 1. God cannot lie. 2. God cannot sin 3. God cannot die
If God can alter even one of the above attributes then He would be able to alter all of them which means God would be capable of 1. lying, 2. sinning, and 3. death/dying Give it a rest. Your trinity debate is finished and the Truth of Oneness has prevailed. |
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