Hello hisway!
WE (Omega) decided to respond to your false doctrine, so here is OUR(Omega)s response to you hisway. From now on I will refer to myself to as "we" "our" and "us" because maybe I have two wills! Actually my will is to do the will of God.
hisway wrote:The only Divine Jesus that came down from heaven was the ONE omnipresent Spirit manifest as God in the flesh. Again what you stated here proves nothing of a trinity nor of a pre-existed Son. The ONE who was pre-existent was the ONE omnipresent Spirit of God. You must not read any of my posts for I have fully explained the issues over and over and over again. Jesus as a man (human form) had all the attributes of a man including: flesh, blood, bones, and a human spirit (soul). And if any of those human attributes are missing then He would not be a human. As a man Jesus was fully limited in that form. All the Divine attributes expressed in Jesus were those of the Father only. So what we have then is Jesus as a man but with a dual nature of God and man together. So whenever Jesus spoke He spoke out of either His Divine nature (Father) or out of His human nature (Son). There is no mention of a Divine Son nature. And for you to say, "I HUMAN JESUS came down from heaven..." makes no sense at all even from a trinity point of view. For here you said a human Jesus existed in heaven? The verse could read "I THE ONE OMNIPRESENT GOD came down from heaven, not to do mine own will [as the human form of the Son] but the will of [the ONE omnipresent Spirit God]..." Jesus as a man had a human will the same as any other human would. This simply states when God manifested as a man He did not come to earth in that form to be on a vacation to try out feeling human but came with a definite plan and purpose which was to become the "Lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the world". The human nature of Jesus was fully submitted to the Divine nature of the Father within and the omnipresent Spirit of the Father in heaven. The human spirit of Jesus was inherited from Mary - the Adam side, and His Divine nature was inherited from the ONE omnipresent Spirit God - Father. Thus God did not manifest in the flesh to do the will of Mary's human side but the will of the Father, His Divine side.
"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."
This verse agains proves that Jesus as man was fully limited as a man and knew only what the Father revealed to Him as a man. If the Son was a pre-existed omnipresent Spirit like the Father and co-equal in all attributes He would know the same things as the Father for the pre-existent Son would also be "All-Knowing" as co-equal. Again this proves the Son did not and could not pre-exist as a co-equal member of a trinity. God in being "All-Knowing" knows the begining and the ending. A pre-existed Son if co-equal would also have that same knowledge. So here is another Divine attribute that you ommitted from your list that further proves the fallacy of the trinity. So what the trinity claims is not only a pre-existed Son lost His Divine attribute of being omnipresent but also had His memories erased as well from being "All-Knowing". What is so insane is that you admitted that God cannot change and yet to make the trinity fit God must change His Divine attributes of being "omnipresent" and "all-knowing". Again, for God to manifest Himself from an invisible form to a reduced visible form is not changing any Divine attributes but maintains His Divine attributes. In the case of the Sonship, God the Father was still "all knowing" as He indwelt the human form and still "omnipresent" as He dwelt within that form and also co-existed outside that form in heaven. You cannot say that for a fabricated pre-existed Son. Jesus Himself said all the works He did - all the miracles, were the works of the Father within Him. The Son had no supernatural powers of His own. Because the Son is the human form of God who had a definite beginning in this world - not from outside this world.
We(Omega) don't read any of your posts? Quite the contrary my friend. Try re-reading your posts for a change and see how flawed they appear. For starters your response are filled with oxymorons. EXAMPLE:Jesus was Omnipresent and Limited at the same time. If the Omnipresent Father is in HEAVEN where is the human spirit of Jesus? Or better Yet, is the Omnipresent spirit of the Father in Heaven or on earth? According to your post, the Omnipresent spirit of the Father is in Heaven, re-read you posts. And if that is the case then the Human spirit of Jesus must be on Earth, and if the human Spirit of Jesus is on Earth and the Omnipresent Spirit of the Father is in Heaven, then how could the Human Spirit of Jesus be Omnipresent as you stated and be limited at the same time??? Hisway, your obviously panicking in your responses and resorting to your own biblical interpretation. Furthermore you skipped my argument:
John 17:5 - And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
So Did the Human Jesus and His Human will share the Glory
with the Omnipresent Father before the foundation of the world? You never cease to amuse me with your false teachings. Keep in mind that I am not amused at you but your arguments.
hisway wrote: I had previously quoted from Hebrews 1:1-3 on this thread and what you quoted above is an extension of that same text. That whole text from verses 1-13 simply is explaining how God the ONE omnipresent Spirit has transfered all His power and authority to the reduced visible form of Himself which is the Son. Again this proves the Son did not have full power and authority previously which goes back to the fact if the Son if He pre-existed would already have all those attributes. I thought you said God does not change? Then why does God have to transfer all that power to a co-eternal and co-equal person in a trinity? Obviously, the Son did not share any of those attributes either. You really do not know who God is at all. You quoted a verse out of context without taking in account the full passage of Scriptures verses 1-13. Verse 2 states the subject of the whole text which is "[the Son]...whom He [the Father] hath appointed heir of all things...". An heir is someone who inherits something they did not previously have from someone else. In this case, the Son (visible form) is the heir of the power and authority transfered from the Father (invisible omnipresent Spirit form). Verse 4 states that the Son "being made so much better than the angels" which proves again the Son was a created manifest form of God not co-eternal. Anyone with adult level reading comprehension should be able to understand those Scriptures in the context they are meant to be understood.
Hisway for starters your condescending remarks are rude and arrogant, stating that I do not know who God is? Look at yourself in the mirror my friend and stop judging my character and my heart. The Scriptures clearly proves that your (Understanding) of the Godhead is severely distorted. Furthermore your interpretation of Hebrews 1:2,3 is also flawed.
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
Christs person, power and position are all expressed in this verse. He is described as
being the brightness of Gods
Glory. The word "
being" whose force is "
eternally being", guards against the idea that Jesus
became the Son at some point during His earthly ministry. He did not become Deity, He always was equal with the Father. The
attributes ascribed to Him express His very nature. They were neither added to nor taken from Him during His earthly life. The "Brightness" spoken of here refers to a radiance or a shining forth of the divine glory. As the rays are intrinsically related to the sun, with neither one existing apart from the other, so the Father and the Son are essentially one. Furthermore the Son is the "express image" or imprint of the Fathers person(nature). The radiant light implies the oneness of the Son with the Father; the imprint expresses the
distinctness of the Son from the Father. Yet, oneness and distinctness are implicit in each; thus, they enhance and balance each other. Upholding all things manifests the power of the SON. Take a look at verse 2, it presents Jesus as the
Creator and hence the "heir" of all things. "Upholding"{pheron} precisely states and describes the Son as "carrying"all things. So once again your transference theory is flawed also due to your human logic and lack of spiritual understanding. You've been deceived, programmed and indocrtinated with false teachings and your hardened heart remains in its solid condition.
God Bless!