Please read the above quote from Aineos post which had explained that the Spirit of the Father may abide in us also and not only in Christ, Furthermore it had explained how (they) will abide in us. When Jesus had commited His Spirit to the Father, to whom was He committing it to? Was He committing His Spirit unto Himself?

Luke 23:46 - And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend (my spirit): and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

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hisway wrote:

burwelm wrote:Jesus and God are separate people. If they were the same person they could not talk to each other. Jesus has all the power and understanding and is just like God- but he is God's son- he cannot be the son and the father at the same time- Jesus is the son of man- God is no the son of man.

A man, John Doe, has a wife and has a son. He is a husband to his wife and a father to his son. He also has a father and is a son in relation to his father. His name is John Doe, one person who has one name yet he is a father to his own son and a son to his own father at the same time. Is John Doe two different and distinct persons? According to the trinity doctrine he is. That is how ridiculous the trinity doctrine is. God is a Spirit with no physical limitations. He can manifest Himself as the Angel of Lord, as a man in the flesh and if He desired to - a flame in a burning bush. He could do all those simultaneously if He choose. Jesus said wherever two or three are gathered in His name He is there in their midst. What if you have a group in New York, another group in Seattle, and another group in China all gathered together at the same time? Would Jesus be in the midst of one group at a time or all at the same time? Would each group have to book an appointment with the Lord?

As for Jesus as a man talking to the Father is no great mystery. Jesus as a man had a dual nature - fully God and fully man together at the same time. As God He had the authority to forgive sins. As a man (flesh) He would pray to the Father (Spirit). God is God alone and beside Him there is no Saviour. (Isaiah 43:11). There was no God formed before Him neither shall there be after Him. (Isaiah 43:10) If Jesus pre-existed as the Son then Isaiah must be a false prophet. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not separate persons but rather One God revealed in different roles and manifestations.

Your argument about John Doe is flawed in asking whether John Doe, who is a Father and a son, is two separate people. No, he isn't. He is ONE person. But when John talks to his son, or to his father, THEN there are 2 people involved, not just one.

Likewise when Jesus prays to the Father, there are two persons involved. They are both God, but they inhabit different places (one in Heaven, and one on Earth).

Please read the following description of the end, where Jesus will deliver up to the Father, the kingdom. And in verse 27, The Father put all things under Jesus feet, with the exception of the Father himself. And in the end, (verse 28) Jesus will be subject to the Father, who originally put all things under Jesus feet.

If these Gods were all the same person, at the same time, these verses makes NO sense at all. But if we take the position that God is manifested in three persons, the Godhead, and all are distinct from each other, then all three of them can interact with each other, and the verse makes sense.


1 Corinthians 15:23-25
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
(KJV)

1 Corinthians 15:27-28
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
(KJV)

God Bless!