kingzson wrote:OK Aineo here is my argument for modelism:
God manifested(shown) in 3 modes
1)Father in creation
2)Son in redemption
3)Holy Spirit in infilling emanation/Regeneration
PHILIPPIANS 2:5-10,key verse 10
COLOSSIANS 1:20
1TIMOTHY 3:16..........This plainly shows how God was manifested in the mode of Son.
Please respond to the scriptures and show me how oness can be a false doctrine...............By these scriptures we are shown what the apostles believed and preached and that my friend was not a trinity.
Your 3 modes are 3 persons with all the characteristics of personality including the ability to make decisions.
Philippians 2:5-11
5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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Jesus can make decisions on His own in obedience to the Father as well as to accomplish His purpose for taking on a body of flesh:
John 10:18
18 "No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father."
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John 15:16
16 "You did not choose Me, but I chose you, and appointed you, that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask of the Father in My name, He may give to you. NAS
The Holy Spirit has discretion to do as He wills:
1 Corinthians 12:11
11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills. NAS
Modes or manifestations do not have independent wills. God is omnipotent as are the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of the Son.
You may object to the term "Trinity" however the tri-unity of God is clearly taught and displayed in the NT teachings of Jesus and the Apostles.
Hisway, as to your comment concerning the Catholic Church and modalism, I get my information from non-Catholic sources. The history of Christianity is filled with eminent scholars who are not Catholics. Your own adherence to your own philosophy has blinded you to the truth.
I posted a link to an excellent discussion of the Trinity, which you have not bothered to comment on. It seems you and the other non-Trinitarians would rather appeal to your own message boards than discuss the issues by the use of independent scholars and authorities.
Evangelion, the reason I used the word “apparent” is because I fully understand that a full study and understanding of the Bible removes all “apparent” discrepancies.