Hannibal wrote:tl;dr but is that kinda like the "my sister is my mother is my aunt" kinda thing??/
Hisway’s explanation sound like the good old song “I am my own grandpa”.
hisway wrote:A man, John Doe, has a wife and has a son. He is a husband to his wife and a father to his son. He also has a father and is a son in relation to his father. His name is John Doe, one person who has one name yet he is a father to his own son and a son to his own father at the same time.
But John Doe is a son to his father and the father of his son. So you have three people - John Doe, his father, and his son since John Doe cannot be his own father or his own son.
The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three distinct entities with three distinct roles and all three are one God. I suppose what hisway is trying to convey is what we label a hologram. The only problem is a hologram cannot eat as Abrahams guest did or dislocate a hip like Jacob’s angel did. God appeared to Moses in a burning bush God was not the burning bush. Your manifestations are nothing more than Gnosticism dressed in 20th costumes.
A manifestation is a representation or a picture of the reality. I really doubt God would label an “image” of Himself with His own name. So your explanation for Abraham’s visitor not only begs the question but also violates God’s own law!
Hisway, I have already addressed your heretical belief that tongues is the only sign of baptism in the Holy Spirit on another thread, a thread you abandoned when you could not refute what I posted.
Modalism is probably the most common theological error concerning the nature of God. It is a denial of the Trinity which states that God is a single person who, throughout biblical history, has revealed Himself in three consecutive modes, or forms. Thus, God is a single person who first manifested himself in the mode of the Father in Old Testament times. At the incarnation, the mode was the Son. After Jesus' ascension, the mode is the Holy Spirit. These modes are consecutive and never simultaneous. In other words, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit never all exist at the same time, only one after another. Modalism denies the distinctiveness of the three persons in the Trinity even though it retains the divinity of Christ.
Present day groups that hold to this error are the United Pentecostal and United Apostolic Churches. They deny the Trinity, teach that the name of God is Jesus, and require baptism for salvation. These modalist churches often accuse Trinitarians of teaching three gods. This is not what the Trinity is. The correct teaching of the Trinity is one God in three eternal coexistent persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
http://www.carm.org/heresy/modalism.htm
The anti-Trinitarian belief that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are “modes” of God, but not true persons capable of interacting with one another.
http://www.basictheology.com/definitions/Modalism/
This last site has an accurate one line summary of Modalism. The NT reveals the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit interacting with each other as individual entities each with the ability to make decisions independent of the other.
hisway wrote:As Jesus told Peter, 'Flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee but the Father in heaven; this Truth is only revealed to the hungry and thirsty. It was never intended for the mocker nor the scoffer. Neither was it intended for the wise and prudent but unto babes.
What did Peter say?
Matthew 16:15-20
15 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." 17 And Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 "And I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades shall not overpower it. 19 "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." 20 Then He warned the disciples that they should tell no one that He was the Christ. NAS
Peter acknowledged that Jesus is the Messiah (Christ) the savior expected by the Hebrews.
Isaiah 45:21
21 "Declare and set forth your case;
Indeed, let them consult together.
Who has announced this from of old?
Who has long since declared it?
Is it not I, the LORD?
And there is no other God besides Me,
A righteous God and a Savior;
There is none except Me. NAS
Not a manifestation but God in the flesh!
Galatians 4:6-7
6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!" 7 Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God. NAS
If the Son is a manifestation of God then how does a manifestation have a spirit God can send forth into our hearts? Your Gnostic logic breaks down under Biblical truth because if Jesus was a manifestation His spirit and God who is spirit cannot be divided as Paul teaches it is. And this hisway answers your question about Christians throughout the world having Jesus in their midst. His spirit is omnipresent, which is a characteristic of God, and the Holy Spirit.
Genesis 1:2 tells us the God and the Spirit are two distinct forces or entities.
Genesis 1:1-2
1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 And the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. NAS
God is spirit so why do you have God’s spirit “moving over the surface of the waters”? Is it your contention that God’s spirit has a spirit?
The Trinity is a Biblical fact easily discerned by anyone who comes to God’s truth with childlike understanding, not Aristotlian logic.