Hi Rome,
RomeSweetHome wrote:Huldah Wrote:
So you do deny the devil's existence as a fallen angel!
Matthew 25:41
"Then He will also say to those on the left hand, "Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels".
Revelation 12:7
"And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels",
Could you explain these passages please.
I'm happy to explain these passages to you. If you want me to do so, then please begin a new thread in this section, or I will if you like. Lets keep this thread on the subject of the nature of Christ, or it will get bogged down. I will respond to both threads.
Huldah Wrote:
No. Define what you mean by 'hell' and I'll tell you what we deny.
Hell is a place of everlasting punishment, a place of misery, torment, and wickedness, a place of turmoil, destruction and unquenchable fire.
Revelation 14:10
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he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone i
n the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb".
So you believe that Rev 14.10 is describing Hell? Have you read the context? Again, I'm prepared to discuss this further with you in another thread.
Huldah Wrote:
True, we deny that doctrine.
Why do you deny the Holy Trinity?
Matthew 28:19 "
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"
That verse doesn't prove the trinity. It makes no claims about the nature of God, it does not define what it means by persons or substance. You are reading all of that into the verse.
2 Corinthians 13:14 "May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all".
Neither does this verse prove the trinity.
Apostle John in his first Epistle, chapter 5 and verse 7 wrote: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one."
Ah yes, the verse that was added in by trinitarians...
Is this not a fair testimony to acknowledge the doctrine of Trinity?
Not if the bible doesn't teach it, no.
Dont you believe that Jesus was a created being who had a fallen nature who himself needed to be redeemed?
Not quite. We believe that as a human, he had all our tendency *BUT* did not sin. As he did not sin, then no, we do not believe that he needed to be redeemed.
So you deny the deity of Christ?
Correct.
Huldah Wrote:
And what in your opinion does 'Christian' mean?
You are part of a cult that preaches a false Gospel.
A Christian is a person who believes and follows ALL the Orthodox teachings of the bible.
All the 'orthodox teachings of the bible'? Interesting, as the church which calls itself 'orthodox' took several centuries defining what the accepted 'orthodox' beliefs were. If you are arguing that your 'orthodox' beliefs come from the Bible then you will have to prove that the Bible teaches them, which you haven't done so far.