Christian/Muslim ThreadsIslamic science, is it really a miracleGreetings H20, Hmmm…still not willing to step up to the plate and actually make a DIRECT response to my rebuttals…? What are you afraid of…..? A comparison has been made in this ayah. The comparison is between the heaven(s) AND “wa” the earth(s). Heaven and earth are concomitted together. They’re compared directly to one another. They are similitudes to each other. Hence, in the definition of “mithlahunna”, it is clear that the earth is being compared “to” the heaven via “wa”. I find it quite humorous that you completely and utter ignore the unimpeachable definitions that I posited for “mithlahunna”. In keeping with the quintessential ignorant Muslim way, you don’t even entertain anything that jeopardizes your bias – and the classic definitions for “mithlahunna” coupled with “wa” totally decimates your pathetic unreferenced position. Let me post the definitions once more for them to sink into your thickness… Definition for “mithlahunna”… Similitude: Means counterpart – duplicate – consisting of or existing in two corresponding or identical parts or examples - complement – a thing that fits another perfectly - one remarkably similar to another - one having the same function or characteristics as another Analogue: Something that is analogous or similar to something else. The etymology of analogous gives us the literal definition of proportionate. If something is proportionate, then it is equal in symmetry, magnitude, quantity, or degree. And….the prefixed conjunction linking “samawatin” and “al-ardi”… و = “wa” “wa” definition: An inseparable prefixed conjunction; And; Also; But; Whilst, At; Together; With. It is used as a conjunction, unrestricted conjunction, and is expressive of concomitance, particle used for swearing (by God). The implications of “wa”… Conjunction: An uninflected linguistic form that joins together sentences, clauses, phrases, or words The act or an instance of conjoining : the state of being conjoined; to join together (as separate entities) for a common purpose; Combination. Occurrence together in time or space : Concurrence; the simultaneous occurrence of events or circumstances. Concomitance: Accompaniment; an addition intended to give completeness or symmetry; compliment; an accompanying situation or occurrence. Oh…and by the way….just pretend that I stated nothing….per your usual…. I would expect that you could at least produce a fictitious reference source to back up your assertions – much like you did several months ago when you first made your pathetic attempt at salvaging Koranic Cosmology before you had actually made your cherished Lexical purchase with your hard earned $ from running the restaurant biz with your “theology” degree.. Muslims….first they take their scriptures out of context, then can’t back them up with verifiable references…..simply amazing…. Just face the facts….you don’t have a leg to stand on with your sorry attempt at reconciling the faulty Koranic cosmology. It is simply flawed. Thus….it is crystal clear that the Koran is man-made…. I have to ask this question of you; why do you think that Lane remained a devout Christian after devoting 34 years of his life to the in-depth understanding of the classic Arabic and its usage in the Koran? No one knew the classic Arabic of the Koran better than Lane, and yet he was NOT convinced at all that it contained truth over that of the Holy Bible. Lane also spent copious amounts of time correlating Biblical Hebrew scriptures to science. Think that he could do the same with the Koran? It is clear that he, himself, could see that the Koran was defunct in its copied explanations in all areas that pertained to the testable sciences. That is why he remained unswayed by the material contained in the Koran… If you truly respect Lane’s truthfulness and unbiased approach to the Arabic (like you said that you did), then I would expect you would want to follow his example. Unless, of course, you want to add your prior statement(s) to your ever-growing pile of lies… Furthermore, we can clearly see that my understanding of this ayah is the same as others… Y.Ali Allah is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the earth a similar number. Through the midst of them (all) descends His Command: that ye may know that Allah has power over all things, and that Allah comprehends, all things in (His) Knowledge. R.Khalifa GOD created seven universes and the same number of earths. The commands flow among them. This is to let you know that GOD is Omnipotent, and that GOD is fully aware of all things Now….why would you presume that it was your beloved “prophet” that wrote the Koran in the first place…? It is clear that he never penned the text that you today hold in your hands. In fact, the Koran falls all over itself stating that it only imitates Biblical alkitabu….
Because it does fit the context. Remember, you are Muslim…..and Muslims, by general rule, do not need to reference the context of anything….am I right….? Let’s review 41.9… Say: "Do you disbelieve with who created the earth/Planet Earth in TWO DAYS, and you make/put for Him equals (idols), that (is) the creations all together's/(universes') Lord. Qul a-innakum latakfuroona biallathee khalaqa al-arda fee yawmayni watajAAaloona lahu andadan thalika rabbu alAAalameena Comments: 1) “Do you disbelieve with who created the earth/Planet Earth in TWO DAYS…” 2) AND, “you make/put for Him equals (idols), that (is) the creations all together's/(universes') Lord.” 41.9 Summary: 1) Earth was created in TWO days. Of course you have to agree that “it” refers to the earth. This is because it is conjoined via the conjunction “wa” just as the seven heavens and seven earths are conjoined in 65.12… remember….? Thanks for finally seeing the error of your ways….
Oh really….? Then what are the mountains standing on? Thin air? What does “from above it” mean? You cannot have mountains unless they reside on a surface. Just like before, you missed the point of reference for this Koranic sequence.
Again…..the mountains reside upon what…? Let’s review 41.10… And He made/put in it anchors/fixtures/mountains from above it, and He blessed in it, and He predestined/evaluated in it its provision in FOUR DAYS, straight/equal to the askers/questioners . WajaAAala feeha rawasiya min FAwqiha wabaraka feeha waqaddara feeha aqwataha fee arbaAAati ayyamin sawaan lilssa-ileena Comments: Point of reference of allah is the earth’s surface. 1) AND, “He made/put in it anchors/fixtures/mountains from above it….” 2) AND, “He blessed in it….” 3) AND, “He predestined/evaluated in it its provision in FOUR DAYS, straight/equal to the askers/questioners.” 41.10 Summary: 1) The Mountains were created as viewed from the Earth’s surface – hence the earth was solid. It was a planet. 2) He made a food provision in FOUR DAYS. 3) 41.9 (2 Days)…..plus……41.10 (4 Days)……equals 6 Days.
Well…thanks for putting your science ignorance on full throttle once again. Why don’t you take a brief “google” and discover how planets form via accretion. Besides, you totally missed your Mountains cue…. 41.9 begins it narration from the surface of the earth. How could you have possibly missed the clues that everything from this ayah onwards is referenced from the surface of the earth… Let’s review 41.11… THEN He aimed/tended to the sky/space and it is smoke/fumes, SO He said to it and to the earth/Planet Earth: "You come voluntarily or forcefully/involuntarily ." They said: "We came obedient." THUMMA istawa ila alssama-i wahiya dukhanun FAqala laha walil-ardi i/tiya tawAAan aw karhan qalata atayna ta-iAAeena Comments: Point of reference of allah is still the earth’s surface. 1) THEN, he aimed/tended to the sky-space when it is smoke/fumes. 2) THEN, he says to the sky/space AND to the Earth “"You come voluntarily or forcefully/involuntarily.” 3) The sky/space say, “We came obedient." 41.11 Summary: 1) From the vantage point of the Earth’s surface, allah turns to the sky and it is smoke. 2) Then he calls to the heavens and earth to come. 3) 41:9 (2 Days)…..plus……41:10 (4 Days)……equals 6 Days.
Thanks for just confirming that my translation is correct…
For the same reason that you are rendering it as “the nearer sky”. It is the lowest one on the Koranic rung. It is the bottom of the Seven. The one closest to the earth. Hence, the difficulty in making this fit with established science. I can feel your pain at this point… Let’s review 41.12… SO He ordered/accomplished them (as) seven skies/space(s) in TWO DAYS, and He inspired/transmitted in every/each sky/space its matter/affair/order/command, and We decorated/beautified the present world's sky/space with lights/stars and a protection/ observation, that (is) the glorious'/might’s, the knowledgeable's predestination/ evaluation . FAqadahunna sabAAa samawatin fee yawmayni waawha fee kulli sama-in amraha wazayyanna alssamaa alddunya bimasabeeha wahifthan thalika taqdeeru alAAazeezi alAAaleemi Comments: Point of reference of allah is STILL the earth’s surface. 1) THEN, he accomplished them (the sky/space AND the earth) as seven skies/spaces in TWO days. 2) AND, “He inspired/transmitted in every/each sky/space its matter/affair/order/command….” 3) AND, “We decorated/beautified the present world's sky/space with lights/stars….” 4) AND, “a protection/ observation, that (is) the glorious'/might’s, the knowledgeable's predestination/ evaluation.” 41.12 Summary: 1) allah creates seven heavens in TWO DAYS. 2) He places the stars in the LOWEST of the seven heavens. 3) He makes the stars for protection. 4) 41:9 (2 Days)…..plus……41:10 (4 Days)……41:12 (2 Days)…equals 8 Days! Integrated Summary: 1) “Do you disbelieve with who created the earth/Planet Earth in TWO days…” 2) AND, “you make/put for Him equals (idols), that (is) the creations all together's/(universes') Lord.” 3) AND, “He made/put in it anchors/fixtures/mountains from above it….” 4) AND, “He blessed in it….” 5) AND, “He predestined/evaluated in it its provision in FOUR days, straight/equal to the askers/questioners.” 6) THEN, he aimed/tended to the sky-space when it was smoke/fumes. 7) THEN, he says to the sky/space AND to the Earth “"You come voluntarily or forcefully/involuntarily.” 8 ) The sky/space say, “We came obedient." 9) THEN, he accomplished them (the sky/space AND the earth) as seven skies/spaces in TWO days. 10) AND, “He inspired/transmitted in every/each sky/space its matter/affair/order/command….” 11) AND, “We decorated/beautified the present world's sky/space with lights/stars….” 12) AND, “a protection/ observation, that (is) the glorious'/might’s, the knowledgeable's predestination/ evaluation.” Conclusions: 1) The Creation sequence of Sura 41:9-12 DIRECTLY contradicts the (7X) 6-day verses that reside within the Koran. The Koran is in Great error here. How many days in creation? 6,7,8?! Strike #1. 2) The Creation sequence of Sura 41:9-12 places the creation of the Seven heavens/skies/spaces, AFTER the completion of the Earth. This is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE as planetary accretion is ONLY possible AFTER star formation has occurred. Thus, the Koran is in Great error here, as well. Strike #2. 3) The Creation sequence of Sura 41:9-12 has the earth COMPLETED AND FURNISHED with food provision BEFORE the Sun is created! Sorry, but major gaff here. The sun is required not only for heat and photosynthesis, but also for metabolism. NO Sun…NO life! Strike #3. 4) The Creation sequence of Sura 41:9-12 INCORRECTLY mentions Seven heavens. Sorry, but there are NOT Seven heavens in the Universe. Thus, the Koran is in Great error here, as well. Strike #4. 5) The Creation sequence of Sura 41:9-12 INCORRECTLY places the stars in the lowest of the Seven heavens. Sorry, but this is yet another Koranic blunder. The Stars are NOT limited to some fictitious Lower Seventh heaven. Strike #5. 6) The Creation sequence of Sura 41:9-12 INCORRECTLY states that the Stars are placed in heaven for protection. This is yet another unscientific fabrication. The Koran twisted the meaning of this phrase right from the Book of Revelation. Strike # 6. I’m sure that YOU will come to appreciate the Koran for what it is…just as I have. Great….now you decide to skip-out on the cosmology discussion that you, yourself, initiated….and right before the punch-line of how and why the stars fight off those devils…. I have to know….is it a starship cruiser in disguise…? Is it battle star Galactica….? Thanks… |
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