Christian/Muslim ThreadsIslam Peace or Beast?I wonder why the administrators or moderators jerks chicken cowards here keep deleting what kick their asses and expose the paranoia of their psycho savior jesus: But about the bullshits of "love your enemy"? These teachings are non sense bullshit and against the human nature. And the funny part is that Jesus was the first to reject his own teachings of "love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you": Judas was the enemy of Jesus, but instead of loving him and pray for him, he just cursed him: The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born. [Mark 14:21] Jews were the enemies of Jesus, but instead of loving them and praying for them he just insult them when calling them "Fools", "Vipers", "Snakes", "Wicked".... Just look at Luke parable in chapter 19 against the Jews: But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. Jesus is considered the king of ANTI-SEMITISM. Why did Jesus refuse to heal the Canaanite daughter in Mathew 15? Isn't this woman supposed to be his enemy? He jus healed her when she had believed in him. How can i love my enemy and pray for him if I refuse to heal him? When you love someone you do everything to please him and you do not wait for a return. This is just non sense shit. Hey moron read the words of your psycho: Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. [Matthew 23:1-3] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. [Matthew 5:17-19] It's really amazing how the Christians jerks are ready to drop 90% of the word of god when they are embarrassed. Stop bullshiting bozo and read it again before you open your ugly mouth: What if Muslims follow their Noble Qur'an? Since Muhammad convoked people to Islam, the pagans didn't stop even for an instance from killing, slaughtering and torturing Muslims. For many years, Muhammad and his Muslim followers endured the torment of pagans without even responding. Muhammad had a treaty with the pagans. This treaty was really oppressive toward Muhammad and Muslims but Muhammad accepted it. No long after, the pagans revoked this treaty, and then started again to kill and to slaughter Muslims. The situation was no more bearable, and Muhammad and his Muslim followers had no other choice than to defend themselves from tyranny and for the right to coexist. So Muhammad and his Muslim followers were ordered by God Almighty to fight back those pagans as self defense actions. So all the verses in The Noble Qur'an that apparently talking about killing and slaughtering are in fact referring to the war as a fight back or self defense For example: verse 2:191: And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. This verse looks really violent, but just read the verse before: "And Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Surely Allah loveth not aggressors". [The Noble Qur'an 2:190]. Now it's clear that Muslims here are ordered to fight only as a self defense those who fight them first, and what is more important here is that God ordered all Muslims not to be aggressors and not to start a fight unless they are attacked. Just when the verses are not misquoted, we see clearly that Islam only orders a fight just when Muslims are attacked as a self defense action. What about the rest of the verses which seem to be linked to killing and terrorism? Let's have some examples: "Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." [The Noble Qur'an 8:12] This misquoted verse looks really aggressive. However if one would read the next verse, he will find that he was wrong: "This is because they acted adversely to Allah and His Messenger; and whoever acts adversely to Allah and His Messenger-- then surely Allah is severe in requiting (evil)" [The Noble Qur'an 8:13]. So??? The reason for verse 12 is that these pagans acted adversely against God and Muhammad and the Muslims. Thus it is clear that this verse refers to those who clearly declared their hostilities against Islam and seek to wage wars against the Muslims. "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement, Except for those who repent before they fall into your power: in that case, know that Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful". [The Noble Qur'an 5:33-34]. So these verses also clearly state that Muslims must fight back those who wage wars against them. And if a pagan or an enemy repents or surrenders, then Muslims don't have the right to kill him. What about the verse 9:5 : But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful Well let's look at the verse before: "Except those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement, then they have not failed you in anything and have not backed up any one against you, so fulfill their agreement to the end of their term; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty)". [The Noble Qur'an 9:4]. Well it's clear that verse 5 was talking about the unbelievers who attacked and killed the Muslims, and therefore Muslims reacted as a self-defense!!! God asks Muslims not to go in wars against the unbelievers who didn’t fight them!!! Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks [47] The chapter starts with: Those who reject Allah and hinder (men) from the Path of Allah,- their deeds will Allah render astray (from their mark). So shouldn't the pagans who were killing people that want to join Islam be fought as a self defense? Or should we let the pagans massacring men? See when reading in context those things become clearer? Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan. [4] The verse before: O you who believe! take your precaution, then go forth in detachments or go forth in a body. [verse 71] So the Muslims were in war to defend themselves against pagans and God asked them to be aware from pagans’ perfidy. O Prophet! urge the believers to war; [8] Read the verses before: Those of them with whom thou madest a treaty, and then at every opportunity they break their treaty, and they keep not duty (to Allah). [verse 56] They broke the treaty and start to kill Muslims again. Warfare is ordained for you, [2] And fight in the way of Allah, and know that Allah is Hearing, Knowing. [2] The verses are detailed continuation of verses 190: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. Furthermore, The Noble Qur'an says that if an enemy surrender, then Muslim is obliged to protect him and to escort him to a secure place: "And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not". [The Noble Qur'an 9:6] Please tell me which army in our days would be obliged to protect and convey an enemy to a safe place??? The Noble Qur'an clearly states that Muslims don't have the right to attack someone if he didn’t attack them: "Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice". [The Noble Qur'an 60:8]. Christian terrosrism accross history: Please try to digest the following. It's only the appetizer. The meal is yet to come. Please pause a moment, reflect back, and enjoy. These events are actual cuts from past Christian history. They actually happened! Do you remember? Listed are only events that solely occurred on command of church authorities or were committed in the name of Christianity. (List incomplete): - As soon as Christianity became legal in the Roman Empire by imperial edict (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed. - Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain. Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon. Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as "temple destroyer." - Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. - Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. - In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights. - In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand of Christian authorities. - The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415. - Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded. - Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near Altenesch/Germany. - Battle of Belgrade 1456: 80,000 Turks slaughtered. If you want to see the rest of Christian BLOOD and KILLING festivals accross history, check here: http://www.geocities.com/iconoclastes.geo/victims.html |
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