Judaism ForumEden was Actually in Israel - Biblical Evidence and GeologicI can see you’re backing off from your initial inference that this was a prospect for food, and now it was simply a refuge for insects. This was not a helpful point to your cause, as these floating vegetation mats really only occur in salty marsh environments, and would not have been an appropriate food source for the animals from the ark. Therefore, it would have been necessary for some vegetation to have survived during the flood, and then simply recover once the waters receded. I was able to finally put some time into this one and respond appropriately. Here is a reference to an apologist that has personally seen a young olive tree thrive underwater: http://www.christiancourier.com/notes/oliveTree.htm There are many places where trees have been found surviving for extended periods of time underwater, but the Amazon flood plane is an excellent example because the flood is annual, and the trees can be submerged under 12 meters of water for up to 6 months. See: http://www.szgdocent.org/ff/f-wflood.htm To refocus the readers mind back to the point at hand here, it was a leaf from an olive tree left behind before the flood that the dove from Noah’s ark must have returned with, as there was no time for an olive tree to grow while the flood waters were receding. Therefore, the YE suggestion that the flood caused massive soil deposits must be wrong, and finding the rivers recorded in Genesis 2 to locate Eden is still possible. You need to find evidence for these super geysers carrying out the kind of depositional characteristics you’re describing here for these suggestions to be any more than conjecture. I believe that the fountains of the great deep were involved in the flood, but a geologist simply cannot put his finger anywhere in the stratographic record, and say, here is the depositional evidence for the flood. The water receded and left the land essentially as it was before the flood. The lava flows in Hawaii are not igneous intrusive bodies. An igneous intrusive body is a hot magmatic plum that breaks into another rock type like sedimentary rock as it rises from typically a tectonic subduction zone, but never actually reaches the surface. Large crystal sizes of these rock formations suggest enormous cooling times, but we really don’t need to get into chemistry or physics of crystal formation. A simple analogy will suffice. We use thermoses to keep coffee or soup hot through the day, because air between the glass & plastic liners retards the effective transfer of heat. The same is true within an igneous intrusive body, as the surrounding rock acts an insulator, slowing down the cooling rate of these giant igneous plutons. Seeing these igneous plutons intruding into the stereographic sequences of the Grand Canyon is quite problematic for YE advocates, as the overbearing rocks provide a mile of insulation. Not only do you need to account for the formation of these complex sedimentary layers of rock, but you need to provide ample time for the Igneous plutons to cool. If you would like to study other genuine geologic problems for the YE model, you can view some of the writing of the geophysics Glen Morton at: http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17273 http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/sh...&threadid=11572 http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/sh...&threadid=11513 http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/sh...&threadid=11631 http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/sh...&threadid=11693 http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/sh...&threadid=11632 http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/sh...&threadid=11683 http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/sh...16&pagenumber=2 http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/sh...&threadid=11221 http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/sh...&threadid=11339 http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/sh...&threadid=11377 http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/sh...&threadid=11458 http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/sh...&threadid=11460 My real interest here would be to defend my Eden in Israel proposition, and I would prefer to dialogue about YE creation perspective in another forum. If there are issues people have regarding my Eden model other than the flood issue, I will be glad to debate them here. As I’m sure my hypothesis needs some work and refinement. The issue I would prefer to defend here is: “Was Eden actually in Israel?” as there is extensive biblical evidence to substantiate this claim, as well as my geological model. |
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